if you think you can kill it with a 30-30 and can't with a 223, you need to learn to pick the right bullet and then learn how to place your shots.

I've shot deer to the far side of 550 with the 223 and no issues.

We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....