Yes....that's all true. Mostly among more ardent shooters who shoot match, tactical etc,......but the list of "most popular"cartridges remains pretty much the same year to year.

In any event the Creed is still a "fast" cartridge by about any standard and shoots high BC bullets to hand on to as much speed as possible. So even in that realm of velocity people think speed is important.

I think it will be awhile before the Creedmoor catches up to the 7 RM in BG hunting popularity.

I am one who maintains that flat trajectory is still very useful in BG hunting despite the new technology;LRF's don't always give a reading and BG animals have the bad habit of not being as cooperative at standing around as fixed targets and gongs. I will still take that 3000-3200 fps whenever i can get it.

That Mashburn-162/160 load above gets to 600 yards "on the windshield" of a 6x36 and that's never a bad thing in open country. smile




The 280 Remington is overbore.

The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.