Yep - T lee that prob would be the "birthdate" if I had to give it one. I was drivin' down to Panama City, Fla once (me and 4 of my friends plus 'bout $600 worth of liquor! Lets just say it was a long week) and there was a guy on the radio talking bout the loss of personal freedoms. Described how he, as a libertarian, had a real problem with Lincoln as he believed Lincoln forced an extremely strong centralized govt down the throat of America- essentialy usurping (sp?) states rights, Was very interresting to a 20 year old looking foreward to a condo on the beach and a blender.
