Originally Posted by rrroae
Originally Posted by jorgeI
The United States has, since it's inception had a hand in international issues and while I fully admit our track record also reflects political naivete (as in trying to turn tribal based societies into western-style democracies) any nation that has ever attempted isolationism loses out in the end.



Since you make that concession, I'll make one as well.


To an extent, I believe we do have to play a part in international affairs as well as have a military presence overseas. It's the part where we go overboard protecting every whiny piss-ant country around or let our not so intelligent intelligence departments stick their nose in the affairs of foreign countries.


Where we probably differ is to what extent we should be involved. In my opinion, we'd be a lot further ahead if we scaled back about 80-90% of our overseas efforts.


I guess we'll agree to disagree. As a believer in Social Darwinism, I don't believe in nation building unless it's in our national interest. The tough question is who defines "national interest". To me presently signifies do whatever it takes to keep our country strong and prosperous and kill our enemies. jorge


A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”