Originally Posted by Formidilosus
Originally Posted by Dustylongshot
He told us that the bullet went through what he called No Mans land or the Zip Zone. He said that when Elk are standing there is a space between the top of the lungs and the spine and that is where the bullet passed. I had never heard this term before. He went on to say that he has had to put down Deer and Elk that have arrows protruding from this area.
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There is NOT a "gap" between the spine and lungs. There is a mechanical lock between the lungs and chest wall, all the way around the spine. If there was a gap... that would be called a pneumothorax and the animal would die. The issue, and why people believe that there is a "no mans land" is because the pine runs very deep in the body, and what people see as the "spine" is actually the spinous process. The spinous process extends 6+ inches up from the top of the spine. As well, hits tobthe high lungs are not as damaging as lower hits.




Originally Posted by specneeds
The bullet placement was "in between" spine and lungs and the rounds were probably close to 3,000 fps or greater for the last shot.
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Miles is correct. As above, there is no dead space.



Originally Posted by southtexas
Miles: FWIW, he was discussing elk, not deer .


No mammal has a "gap".

Mostly correct, but there is no mechanical lock between lungs and bone of any kind. Collapsed lungs are sometimes treated by creating one surgically.


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