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Well, yes they were. But as good as the 175SMK is/was, the Jug is even better.

Yes the Juggies are amazing. I played with JBM a bit, and there's nothing close for wind. Not the 178 A-Max, Not the 175 VLD. FWIW, the beauty of the 175 was that you could keep it supersonic out of an M14 (or M40A1) without running G4 pressures. Have you shot the 185's out of a 20" 308? ie M14 or M110?