As was posted above, most loaders are only interested in near red line loads. Some I've seen posted may be above that even. Lord knows I've got shelves full of the "condom" bullet, some with colorful tips even. If my wife knew how many dollars worth of the various powders I have stashed away I'd be in trouble. Anymore, most of my shooting and fun in the shooting realm comes from homecast boolets. Go to the range, dig up some scrap, melt it down, add some tin, and see what I can do. In fact, my deer hunting this year will probably come down to deciding between a 250 grain cast bullet at 1400 fps out of the 38-55 or a 180 cast at 2200 out of the 308 . Maybe one of each?