Morning Fieball 2, I used to have a bird load for my 38-55 to. If I remember it was 5 or 6 grains of red dot, 1/2 (bottom) of an orange foam ear plug, then the pellets (don't remember how much), then the top 1/2 of the foam ear plug, run the case up into a 308 die, just far enough to keep the foam plug from falling out. Shot quite a few bush chickens up north around Adikoken area. It was really quiet & would make ya giggle when it went off. Was only good to 20 or 25 yds. One yr up there my buddy brought his young lad up. He would walk all the logging roads with an older boy that was his sister's boyfriend. One afternoon they came back to camp with 13 birds. (Mixed partridge, spruce grouse) we had a great big pot of dumplings & birds. Boy , we all had full bellys that night. Every body have a good week!!! Bill. πŸΎπŸ‘£πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦