I know my grandad from Star Valley Wyoming packed the same Winchester 94 .30-30 rifle his whole life. I couldn't even speculate how many elk and deer he'd killed with that rifle, but I do know our extended family never seemed to run out. He used to chide my dad and uncles for using their scoped .270's and .30-06's saying they were only useful for hunters "who got no sneak!" I can only imagine what he'd think of the current discussions on what it takes to be a proper elk rifle!!