If word studies can be trusted the concept translated as born again beans born from above. It’s something that happens out side of us, an action performed by another for us.

Unfortunately, that isn’t taught and ignorant preachers have convinced believers that it’s something that they do. Then a great many people who are taught that they did it convince themselves that they have a native goodness in them and become insufferable moralists. Seems like many who participate in these religious threads have run into such people and seen through them.

Paul said that Abraham believed God, wasn’t righteous and good, but was counted that way because he trusted God. It all came from outside the man. As I read his story he was pretty rotten, a dirty rotten sinner.

Last edited by IZH27; 02/22/20.