I'm thinking that with all this meaningful discussion going on we really do need a CAMPFIRE and some of the good stuff to round it off. I used to think that if you got a few world leader around a good fire and some nectar, most of the worlds problems could be solved literally over night. By the way, lets not forget that we had a Prime Minister here not all that long ago called Tony Abbott. He had said he's be happy to "shirtfront" Vladimire Putin. No pussy that bloke.