They were a great bullet in the 130 grain loading for the 270. The 30 calibers were great in the 300 Savage and the 30/40 Krag but not so great in the 300 Mag. I still have a couple of boxes which I use in the 30/40 and they work fine. The truth is, almost any cup and core bullet works great at 30/40 velocities (180's at 2450). GD