I’ve never thought their stuff was that good anyway. Mediocre product charging premium prices with terrible quality control with lots of better bullets out there. I shot the 154 gr interbonds out of a 7 rum and when I finally ran out of bullets in 2008 I bought another box and my groups went to [bleep] and while trying to figure it out I started weighing bullet. They weighed from 152.4 to 155.6 grs. So much for plus or minus.3 grs. I was done with them after that. After caving to joe and the Ho I will never try them again for any reason.