Originally Posted by Jeff_O
Originally Posted by rockinbbar



That's what I consider the best self defense round for .223 in a home defense situation.

But my barrel length is longer than 10.5".

Unless you have a good suppressor, a short barrel going off indoors is like a stun grenade. A 16" is bad enough.


Man... it’s bad OUTSIDE... my dog got into it with a possum a couple years ago and I went out and killed it with my Bushmaster M4’gery. I think my ears are STILL ringing. Way louder than any “hunting rifle” I’ve ever fired without ear protection.

I now keep nice Peltor noise-cancelling earmuff/headphones on a hook next to the in-wall safe I built into my house. That Bushmaster lives in there.... if I have time, I’m putting those things on for sure.

As for ammo I have a mag of 60-grain Partition handloads in the rifle. 55-grn ball after that. It’s my opinion any high-velocity round is highly lethal and I’m not real hung up on bullets for use against American humans. Meaning, an American is going to know he’s been shot and is FUBAR and will react accordingly. Cannot speak to how the round performs against other folks. Some cultures might be made of sterner stuff as far as personal injury. I think the vast majority of Americans home intruders are gonna be pretty “tender”.


I want a home defense weapon right beside me and do not want to have to go to a safe to get it.
Then grab earphones off of a hook .
I want the Home defense weapon to be ready to use NOW.

ANY High Velocity or low velocity may or may not be Lethal but Lethality is not the issue .

Stopping the threat is the issue and if a certain round does not penetrate enough to get to the vital organs or mushroom enough "it Pencils through" or yaw enough to do damage to the Vital organs then the threat is still there.

So the reason I asked the Question is to find out about the best rounds for the threat that will give enough penetration to the
Vital organs from any angle and not just create a surface wound that may not stop the threat.

As far as your analogy about bullets for use against American Humans .
Anyone regardless of Nationality or culture will know that they have been shot unless they die instantly, and they will
react accordingly.

.How in the world can anyone make the statement that they think "the majority of American Home intruders are going to be pretty tender "?

They may be on drugs ,or drunk ,certainly something is wrong with their thought process by the fact that they DECIDED to break into my home in the first place.

I don't know anything about the sterner stuff of any person nor anything else about them but they are in my house uninvited and for all I know they are there to kill my wife and I.


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