Ghostman, I am not responsible for your lack of experience, i don't think you would know a good hunting dog, if it bit you in the ass, and i am sure you have never been on a real Quail hunt, with dogs out riders,and good shooters, one things for sure your a expert, and know more than people that hunt every day. "them that can do, them that can't talk about it" your a good talker. Rio7.