Guys, I think I’m going back to Hornady IL 117s or the GK 117s at moderate velocities. They should expand well without blowing up. I have a thing about behind-the-shoulder shots since they tend to do much less meat damage. Since shot placement in the woods is somewhat less than perfect for crazy old pharts I also want a bullet that will go through a shoulder and keep on trucking. That’s the kind of performance I’ve consistently had with Hornady IL 165s and expect with the 117s