Whitworth, I have no problem whatsoever with what you state in your claryfication. Some overgeneralize the point you made however, which was kinda where I was wanting to inject my viewpoint.

Tonk
If you see my post above I agree with you, especially if one is assuming Grizz or Brownies. However, in Blackie country I think a 10mm with proper loads would work just fine.

If there's one thing I've become certain of it's that there's too much certainty in the world.