Haven't tried the 165's on game yet. The 115 BT from a 25.06 worked quite well on the largest hog I have shot yet! A friend I hunted with for years used the 140 grain BT out of a 7 rem mag that killed big Nebraska whitetails. He did lose a big doe that he purposely shot straight on and never did find her? Not sure if it was shot placement or bullet failure but seeing that we shot phone books and it penetrated quite well I tend to think it wasn't a bullet issue. He loaded over max loads and took 95% of his shots were under 100 yards!

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