I have a line on a solid 2003 Ford Excursion V-10 4x4 for $3k.

I have a line on a Cummins 12v for $1,800.

Anyone ever done this swap?

Obviously I will dial up the Cummins while it is not installed.

Either keep the RE47 and Stage 3 rebuild or interface with the existing Ford... figure between the adapter and torque converter (big RPM difference)... rebuilding the RE would make the most sense probably?

I had a Eaton Fuller 6 speed behind a Cummins once (F-650) and it was PERFECTION... but that EF6 is one big mofo.

Anyone ever done this swap... words of wisdom or caution?

The whole truck will get refurbished after the mechanics are right.

Figure I can resell the V-10... value? Anyone know? $500?

Stop.

Now.

Total budget?

Including refurbishing... maybe $25k

Cheaper than new I reckon.

I had a 2001 Excursion years ago... they are nice.

Many years ago there was a place in Ogden, or Logan, Ut. that did these conversions. At the time it was around $12 or $14 K, with them supplying the Cummins. With you supplying the engine, I think you should get in under $20 K.....though I may be way off! I considered similar about 20 years ago! memtb

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I do not endorse this project.

I’d forget about the project and buy a boat. You’ll be money ahead in the end.

Whatever you do....good luck.

I had a boat when I lived in Coconut Grove and Key Largo...

Rebuilt after Andrew chewed on her a bit...

https://photos.app.goo.gl/4GKhn2FtjJWJJ4LD2

I'm sure it can be done. I eat lunch with a guy who has done a dozen cummins swaps. I'm not real sure what gen cummins he prefers, but i'm pretty sure its the P-pump mechanicals and older.
I'ld ask him for you, but he is pretty well only face to face. He wont even text. He will read them, but refused to send them. Hell of a mechanic though. Good luck. Do as much homework as you can.

Cash, Nice job on the boat!

Good luck on the project and post pics if you do that swap. 👍

I have a built auto in a hot 12v and a 7.3 excursion with a built 4r100.

I'd choose the 4r100 over the re myself.

A few resources you will need:

Destroked

Diesel Conversion Specialists

Swap A Cummins into Anythinng

I've thought about doing such a conversion on a '78 F250 Crew or Super Cab with a 12V Cummins for quite some time. If you hire it out and are supplying the rebuilt engine and a conversion kit, you should be able to easily get the swap done for under your budget.

Good luck.

EDIT: Here's some interesting build threads and a couple of articles:

'74 F250 Cummins Crew Cab

'69 Cummins Conversion

Betty Turns Oil Burner

Completed '77 Conversion

'78 F250 Completed Conversion

There is a company in kalispell mt that makes all the adapters and does conversions

https://www.dieselconversion.com/home.html

That or pay someone to kick em in the nuts for half the cost and he'd still be in better shape.

Buddy had a Cummins conversion on an F350 with 6.0l diesel.
Guy in Waynesboro VA specializes in this conversion. I can get you his info if you’re so inclined. If nothing else might be some good advice from someone with a lot of experience.

Know a guy that stuck a duramax in an ‘05 (?) 3/4 ton suburban and
Another buddy is getting ready to do a diesel swap in a 70’s FJ40.
That’s actually one I could get behind.

I’d rather have a factory diesel 70 series land cruiser.

There are a bunch of YouTube vids on this . It’s a much bigger job than it seems

What would the value of it be after that investment?

Maybe half that?

Was there a time that Ford worked with Cummins?
Or is my memory failing?

Good links fellas... THANKS!

I currently have three Cummins trucks (and have had many before... 25+/-).

Only had one Excursion... but loved everything about it.

Big decision now (if I proceed) is the trans and TCase.

Sticking with a built RE seems easiest, but I'll start asking the pros more questions.

SEEMS like the full Mopar drivetrain will make the most sense.

Heavy hauling... not really... other trucks for that.

Hard use... absolutely.

Yes... lots of F-650s came with Cummins.

I had a 26' F-650 box truck with an Eaton Fuller 6 speed. She could stay in that Cummins power band RPM like a champion. Never had a better drivetrain in my life... for work.

Not sure... fair question.

I figure if I bought a New truck she would lose at least $25k in 10 years... maybe?

Thought so.
Are you looking at a used or new tranny?
Might check gearstar. My only knowledge is from roadkill who they sponsor. But it seems they make stuff that might fit your pursuit.

The Excursion was a cool vehicle. As was the Centurion.

Get a low mileage 3/4 ton Suburban with 6.0. Spend remaining $15k on gas and guns.

That is a lot of work! Is it worth it?

Diesel Brothers? On Discovery. They're from Utah and do that crap.

meh throw a 5 star tune on the gasser and run the piss out of it. . If it dies and you still want the excursion throw a 7.3 or a bulletproofed 6.0 in it.

Consider getting a late series Ford 7.3 diesel from a 2000 to early 2003 F250 or F350. Basically a drop in to a 2003 Excursion which is a 3/4 ton chassis.

Logical.

Was a place in Great Falls that was known for putting cummins in suburbans. I though that sounded neat as hell till I called and got a price.

Still, better than sinking money in an excursion. At least putting money in a suburban makes sense.

Stupid is not welcome here...

Go rearrange your lava rocks.

GM has burned me too many times... I will never own another.

I am very fond of the 12 valves... owned many. In my considered opinion from all that I've owned... at least 25 of them... the 12 valve is the only truck you can own drive for 10 years, use as a normal truck but not abused or neglected and sell for a profit when you are done with it.

I am fond of the 7.3 but does not have the cult following of a Cummins nor the durability in my humble opinion.

I had a 6.0 in a F-550. It was an absolute Powerhouse of a combination, but when I opened the hood I would break out in cold sweats. It is terrifying how complicated it is to me.

On one of my old Dodge trucks I was having weak power. Took 30 minutes to remove all 6 injectors. Another 30 minutes to drive them to a friend who did a pop test for me. $37 for the one bad injector and 30 minutes to reinstall.

Low-pressure fuel delivery is the stuff that diesel engine dreams are made of in my opinion.

You sound angry? We angry?

LOL

Fireballs,

What is it with you and the VA boys?

Cummins is the best small truck diesel hands down . I’d like to take a Ford Super Duty and put a Cummins in it. I believe an 08 and up would be good for a swap

They think communists care about them having peaceful protests.

I don't.

What about gunner500?

Cash,

Gruff is a huge fan of taking the longest route around barns.

Even his insincere interest is evidence of a bad idea.

He begged them to be his friend and they told him to go fugk himself.

Sound familiar?

LOL

Ballz is not welcome.

Clear enough?

Roy, you are not welcome to comment on my post.

Not because I'm rude or inconsiderate but because you are so exceptionally stupid and have the maturity of a 12 year old girl and contribute absolutely nothing other than to attempt to hijack every post you interject on by making it all about you.

I would not take your advice on how to fill a bucket with water. Do you get it yet I consider you to be a complete and total blithering idiot.

Did I put a sharp enough point on it for you?

I sure wouldn't start that project unless I had a 4x4, 2005 - 2007 Excursion. The ride, turning and handling of the later coil spring models is money well spent.

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Now Roy will play the victim.

Just like clockwork.

Done the conversion thing with a 78 Ford Crew and a 12v Cummins.

It was fun for a while, but I'd not bother with it again.

Big mistake running the Chrysler Auto trans.

Roger that... but I've always been a square peg round hole kinda guy.

I have a master mechanic available... and he needs ammo and primers.

Agree, but I can do a stage 3 for $1800.

A stage 3 should hold up if I don't get stupid on the engine upgrades.

ZF-6 or NV4500 is where'd I'd be.

NV4500...

Unicorn tears.

Sold a fubar 4500 core for $1200... and that was 7 years ago.

But I'll keep looking...

Edit... seem to alot on EBay... quite surprised to be honest.

NV4500 is a damn good transmission... after the 5th gear fix...

Input shaft varies from Chevy to Dodge... spline count.

Had 25, fond of them. got rid of them. Own & drive drive 10 years. Driving MF'r here. sell for profit, but will buy more. I must really be drunk. Or they didn't sell alcohol just to me.

I’d make sure you fix the 5th gear issue prior to using a NV4500

Used to flip them dumbass... over 20 years.

Don't listen to Clarke, she's having a diabetic coma after one piece of pie yesterday.

I am sincere. I legit wanted to do it to a 3/4 ton Suburban I had. But they wanted the Suburban, and a motor with transmission, and would only charge 10k to put it together if memory serves. Excursions never horned me up. At least their not jap though, and this day in age that's something!

Driving them for 10 years, your quote, is not flipping them, genius

Damn.... i didn't know.

Is there a go fund me account.

Afterall... We are all in this together.

I keep some (10 years)... and flip others (over 20 years)

You an inbred or something? Let it go.

Yep.

gunner500 is his best friend.

Just ask him.

LOL

Now there yo go. throwin the inbred out. And where you're typing from? Maybe we cousins Not a subject.

Swaps are serious as you think you know. Cheesecake at times, monumental at times. You flip, you drive some. You'd do a swap like this for short term? Or to flip? Pointing out that with all your contradictions, your swap seems ridiculous that's all.

What does it accomplish? A doomsday vehicle? Something you can run on french fry oil? Get killer fuel mileage? It still runs after an EMP?

Nothing to let go here. The nonsense of the project has never been established. What would it all accomplish? Seriously? I've been a motor head most of my life, maybe I want one too.

use to have a site saved that had conversion kits for ford and Chevys, will see if I can find it.

And to think... until you spoke up Ballz was considered the dumbest SOB on 24HC

But didn't Gunner go to the rally in DC? I though ballz said bad things about those guys? Or was it bad things about everybody but Gunner?

Jerry will do what he wants to do.

My re has about 5k in hard parts and still manages to puke electronics, broke a pro series band and isn't able to use multiple trans tunes on the fly.

My 4r100 has a third of the money in it and is much easier to drive and I can have a mountain of different tunes on the hydra to shift on the fly. I can literally make it shift however I want with the push of a button.

My re has to tap the brake to unlock then hit the od switch to bring pressure up, has a hi/lo dimmer on the floor for manual lock and I look like a heavy metal drummer to make it do what the Ford does by pushing a different tune on the fly.

If you're not drag racing, id go ford trans for sure.

You missed the point. It wasn't about Gunner.

You can't answer? You don't know why you want to do It? You just want to talk about it? Fine. I just looked for a logical reason.

Had an acquaintance once that took an I-6 out of a Ford van & said he was going to put a 351 Cleveland in it. Just hearing stories about Ford conversions, I asked if he could do that. He informed me that he could mount a Hemi on a skate board.

I thought about that,,,,,, & agreed. But the posing question, the point of the whole thing was,,,, why? Just to prove you can do it? It's not good for anything other than to prove you have skills, "if" you do it. Or, just to talk silly chit about something that, so far, you've failed to define,,,, why?


The motorheads creed stands guess, you do it cause you can. It is America after all.

Damn. I can not believe Roy actually left this thread .

The reasoning I saw and had in mind for doing it on a Suburban was parts for a square body Chevy are ubiquitous, and cheap. And even a dunderhead like me can work on them some. Putting in a rebuilt 12v Cummins was to give it a dead nuts reliable means of locomotion. End of days type thinking.

Not the OP, and not the vehicle in question but in true 'fire fashion I answered anyway.

you will have to upgrade all the suspension because of the weight.

CashisKing;
Good evening to you sir, I hope the week treated you well and you've been having as Happy a Thanksgiving as possible all things considered.

With the understanding that I've never personally done the modification in question, but am a wee bit of a "diesel nut" I'd offer the following.

While the current pickup in the yard is an '03 Cummins with the 24V engine and I've been extremely pleased with it thus far, if I was to do a swap there's no question I'd start with a 12V for sure.

We joke up here that if one could get an F350 with a Cummins and an Allison transmission one might have a rig worth owning and that's not far from where you're headed in a few ways.

The tricky part will be figuring out the electronics even in an '03 Excursion unless I miss my guess.

It might be a good idea to make sure the front end is beefy enough to handle the weight of the Cummins for sure, that's the one thing that Dodge surely missed by a wide margin on our '03 and whenever possible I've been switching in components from '08 which are much heavier and still compatible for the most part.

Anyways, if it's just a project to do for something to do, I'd opine it'd be a fun one for sure, much like the Jetta 1.6 engine swap I keep on threatening to do in an older Cherokee.

Good luck on your project whichever way you decide and I hope the remainder of your Thanksgiving weekend is a good one for you all.

Dwayne

Was actually going to take a leaf out of the pack to give some good motion at the stop lights. Look over at some chica's and say "who's rico muther fugking suave?"

End of days type thinking is as a legit a reason for the monumental effort that I can think of. I've even looked at I-4 Cummins prices, but it's all a serious undertaking for.. what if.

I'll drive my twelve valve till the body rots off then find another body for it.

also if I can find that site, they make an adapter to use the Allison trans with the Cummins.

Saw a recent article on the Allison conversion kits now offered. Seems like a decent way to go if you e the scratch. Pretty cost prohibitive if I remember right.

On the Ford side, BTS has a strong rep for rebuilding them. I believe he guarantees something like up to 1000 hp. I’ve also read once where he rebuilt clutch packs in a unit someone bought of CLs used for nothing. That’s where I intend to get my 7.3 Tran rebuilt if/when the TC goes south on me.

I ran into a guy that had a late 90’s Super Duty with a wrecker type setup that had a Cummins. He’d picked it up south for $10k and it was pristine. I couldn’t talk him out of it despite a semi serious effort.

I missed an op at a 99 Excursion with 20k miles on it a few years back and I’ve been watching. I would like. Low mileage, clean early Excursion for the stronger 7.3 design they had.

Your ideas for vehicles fall somewhere between Lego Kits and retards.

Go pour some sake in your jap toy. We're talking trucks.

Yeah, doing that Tim the tool man grunt.

You could have the baddest truck on the planet.

And it would still end up in the ditch.

You drive like a clam.

Gruff's Power Wagon (not a dick joke) has been dug out by 'flave.

You think that lazy fugk has ever had to dig out one of MY vehicles?

vroom vroom

warm that bitch up to go 2 miles to, well, everything lmao

When you go do pedoworld, or epcot or whatever, do you show the japanese tourists a pic of your vehicle and ask them if they recognize it?

Y'all sound like buds, well you're his bud fer diggin him out anyway. Has he done anything for you?

Do you bow and say "Clarke-san leally leally rike"

My tires were bald and you didn't dig much. sheesh

kudos to the 4runner though. That one was rather epic

Yes.

He made me this kitchen knife. I use it daily:

Serious business, a bud gives a bud a knife that he made.

Who kissed who? or is that whom?

He likes to cook. I don't, but wanted to branch out into kitchen knives. So he got gifted one to test out and tell me how to make it better.

Apologies to the OP, things wandered far.

To bring it back around, is there any difference better or worse for the conversion kits going from Chrysler to Ford vs Chrysler to GM? The biggest one I've always heard spoken of is the Cummins to xxxx. Rarely any of the gas motors back and forth.

He's a good friend.

When he's not being a kghunt.

Cool!

I have a broken Buck that a friend carried for 3 tours in V.N. He broke it after he got home. Told me the history, gave it to me & told me that Buck would replace it. No way I thought & have kept it since the 70's.

I offered it back to him just this year. He paused for................ & then told me that he wanted me to keep it. I damn sure will.


Yeah, a big drift, I got blurry vision anyway.


But, we got a V-8 gas Excursion damn near burried in the sandhills of Nebraska this year. Well, not we, my driver. I was riding shotgun & giving instructions. The sand & that big unit didn't mix. Can't see an 1100 lb. Cummins up front helping the situation. For hiway use or towing I guess it would have it's merits.

Aw shucks. Disappointing. I really enjoy conversing with sociopaths and drunks.

Fireballz,

Stupid and lazy is a bad combo.

It’s no wonder you live where you do.

LOL

I love the square body Chevys. K20 single cab long bed with a Cummins would be bad azz. 2 tone 1970’s paint with steel wheels and caps.

Maybe one day when a single cab truck makes sense again.

Damn... you boys went crazy while I was gome.

Deer hunting turned out nuts today. Hugh mountain buck... and the haul out.

I'll get back to y'all... thanks for the input so far.

Looking forward to hearing about the hunt!

Shut up dick breath.

No one likes you and absolutely everyone wants you to go away once and for all. Do you not understand?

I swear I had the same problem in kindergarten.

NO... YOU ARE NOT LIKED. GO EAT DIRT.

It's a hunting forum. You got a huge mountain deer, I'm glad for you.

It may be a difficult concept for a communist from Oregon to understand but for the time being we are not required to play with you. The government cannot make me... and your mommy cannot make me.

I know crapping in the street is completely and totally acceptable where you live.

I also understand by law are you allowed to piss on people just because you want to.

You seek out the status of Oracle at a highly conservative form that is discussing diesel engines and 1-ton SUVs but somehow again and again and again and again he want to make it all about you and how pretty your pile of shiet is in the middle of the street...And why you have a Birthright to piss down somebody's back tell him it's raining and play victim when they complain about it.

You just can't seem to get it.

You are an immature fool and no one likes you and you will not leave.

And no I am not drunk it is 6 a.m. and no I am not angry at all. I am quite tired from humping this big deer out of the woods... but no this thread is not about a deer it is about diesels.

The goal of communist like you is to insert themselves into any agenda they want take a crap in the middle of the room and then blame someone else for the stink.

To perform this action on a daily basis and to remain adamant that you are not a communist... is only proof that you are a liar.

The comments about making the engine swap have been interesting. The rest not so much. I have considered putting a Cummins in a 2011 F550 4WD because it eats turbos. About 20K miles and five turbos. Now there are metal shavings in the oil. Getting rid of the truck is not an option because it is serves a special purpose.
The mechanics and fabrication are less of a challenge than the electronics for me. For that reason I was thinking a donor truck would be better than just an engine swap. A 12 valve would obviously be easier but the donor truck should have all the electronics regardless if it is a 12 valve or 24 valve.
Then there is the emissions thing. I am thinking Dodge went to DEF system about 2008. The re-gen system might have been before that.

That whole conversation took a weird twist.

The Cummins engine block weighs 1100 lb and the Ford V10 weighs 625 lb. There will be some front-end work required. I plan to put small lift on the vehicle anyway.

I plan to keep the Cummins under 500 horsepower so I will modify the Ford transmission with the necessary RPM reduction work and a stage two or three rebuild only.

There is the matter of length. The Cummins engine is considerably longer then the Ford V10.

I may modify the front end of the Ford to accommodate. Pull the radiator forward and build a custom bumper anyway.

Someone asked if this is a SHTF vehicle... aren't they all anymore?

My apologies for stepping away processing this mountain deer is taking longer than most.

I will continue on with pictures and details as the project happens. 90% sure it is going to happen at this point.

BGG... I want one of those knives you gave to Mr. Travis... about perfect on on size and mass... how much if I mail you half a leaf spring? Thanks in advance.

Sending PM

A serious quest I see. Nothing wrong with that. Poses sincere questions.

First. The Cummins having what advantages of an already available Power stroke that's already in there. I've had some wild ideas over the years, but the easy button is always worth a look.

I do have a friend that stuffed a Cummins in a square body Chevy. Tight, not impossible, but a lot of work, for? The Ford, with the latter years of clutter would seem to be that much more complicated. Just wondering.

I love a questioning mind...

Should you jump off a bridge... or should you slit your jugular?

Get back to me after you have decided.

Thanks

Buy a 1 ton 4wd supercrew with 7.3 powerstroke put a topper on the box. Go to the salvage yard and buy a rear seat bolt it in the box. Any body asks you what that is for tell them for those who can't stfup or are irritating. It will work trust me, hey where do I send my consulting bill? Mb

Dammit man, a sincere question isn't good enough for you ? WTH.?

I will take questions after you put down the crack pipe.

Reread page 1 moron

For your satisfaction, I reread page one. Some, no, a lot of negativity on the readers part. Honesty about the validity, post value & questions. I now come with my own questions, questions of past experience of my own & of friends & others I know.

Simple, honest questions, or so I thought. Not baiting, but your responses seem like you think I am. Let me in on it ?

I have both a 7.3 and a 12V. The 7.3 is most excellent however it does have about 12 miles of wire that it needs to work. Any hiccups in said wire and it's done.

My 12V needs a manual fuel stop opened and a rope to run. It needs absolutely nothing electric.

I always wanted a 7.3L Excursion, as I grew up with a 80s Suburban and loved going on trips in it. I had no need for 3 rows of seats and a bed was much more useful option. So I bought a supercab 7.3L, and if I ever run out of room with my current truck, I'll dig me up one of those excursions with a 444PSD. Good Luck in your endeavour and I hope you take and post many pictures to light the way for less fortunate/inclined individuals. Cheers!

The one wire, one fuel line needs of the 12V, I 'm on board with. Is this the no.1 attribute? Getting away from modern complications of todays vehicles ain't a bad thing.

The 12v starts at zero better than a powerstroke does at 80*. There's never the need to haul around a cam sensor and the 12v can throw down 450 in stock trim pretty easy. It took me injectors, turbo work and tunes to get into the 400 club with my 7.3.

The 7.3 is a great engine and I love my excursion, but the 12v is simply better in every way.

BTW, the 12v doesn't even need one wire. Rope or roll start it and you're ready to rock.

why I will never get rid of mine.

The biggest issue with the 12v is the stuff Chrysler bolted to it.

This includes the Dodge truck.

Hey, quick thought, DIPCHIT:

If you are going to post a 24HCF post, then berate and go postal on 3/4 of the people that reply, why not just PM your 3 buddies who will stroke you like you prefer?

While mine is a much better than average sample, I agree that the superduty is simply a better truck. If they would have put a 12v in a 99era ford....they'd have never sold another truck.

Extra sensitive in CO tonight... are your lips chapped, and is that why you got sent home early?

CashisKing;
Good evening to you sir, perhaps good morning already for you I see, but either way I hope that upon reading this all is as well as can be in your world.

While I'm certain your Google skills are as good as anyone's, I found this bit of tid that might be of interest to a fellow who's embarking on a task such as you are.

https://www.dieselhub.com/tech/engine-dimensions.html

As I mentioned in my post and you likely know, Dodge didn't have the front end parts figured out until at least 2008 and perhaps later than that. I've been sticking 2008 parts into the front end in our '03 whenever possible and/or larger and heavier.

The resulting truck still is front end heavy for sure however and will likely pound out u-joints on washboard roads regardless.

Since you're likely putting on a custom bumper, as mentioned that'll give you a fair bit of latitude mounting it in - Fords put the engine way too far back under the hoods to work on them as it - but then again so did the GM's so there is that too.

Anyways sir, it would be a fun project in my view and as you know and others have said, the 12V 5.9 is as good a power plant as one can put in anything other than a plane.

All the best to you as we're now into winter and official cold.

Dwayne

Actually, in a great mood, and had a great day! I hope you did too.

Cashqueen is on the rag though.

His whining gets SO fugging old, especially when he berates people to who reply to his own posts.

Duck Boy... your super hero cape is still at the dry cleaners...

Now please tell us all how you used to be close personal friends with Rudolf Diesel and Clessie Lyle Cummins.

There's been a lot of miscommunication and lack of attention on this honest and decent topic.

If you need advice on how to get semen stains out of your superhero cape... start your own thread.

If you are from Oregon and are adamant that every conversation all the time, every single day has to be about you... start your own thread.

Now, back to the grown-ups in the room.

I have an opportunity to acquire an excellent condition 2003 V10 4 wheel drive automatic transmission Ford Excursion for $3,000. I previously owned a 2001 Ford Excursion. I happen to think it is a fantastic vehicle and will replace our Chrysler Town & Country minivan ten-fold... maybe even 100-fold. And NO... this conversation it's not about how to make a Town & Country minivan four-wheel drive or lifted or diesel. As John Wayne says in the Searchers "A white man rides a horse until it dies and then goes on afoot, a Comanche comes along and gets that horse up and rides it 20 more miles... then eats it." I am sure some local hispanic family is excited at the proposition of my minivan for $2,000.

I also have a chance to pick up a first class 12 valve Cummins diesel out of a Dodge truck for $1,800.

I currently own two 12 valve trucks and one 24 valve. I paid $3,000, $5,000 and $8,000 for these trucks. They are all available for sale. $6,000, $10,000 and $16,000. I use all three trucks on a very regular basis at multiple properties and construction sites. I have been buying low cost Dodge diesel trucks... using them and selling them for a profit since the mid-90s. I am fairly good at it. I've done it around 20 times.

I know absolutely nothing about Chevrolet nor do I want to know anything about Chevrolet. I've owned a few Chevy trucks in my life and have been burned enough that I will not own another.

After the Ford 6.0 debacle followed by the 6.4 2x debacle I decided to never buy a new Ford again.

Toyota makes an excellent vehicle if you happen to be born the height of a politician or Hollywood actor... or use a highchair to eat your Fruity Pebbles for breakfast.

Yes, every single thing about a Dodge sucks in comparison to a Ford or Chevy except for the Cummins 12 valve engine. The front end sucks. The transmission sucks. The peeling paint sucks. The crappy seats suck. The stupid interior and the cracking dashboard suck. I will even go so far as to say the looks of a Dodge truck also suck.

I was towing in massive load in steep WV grade once... 1995 Dodge 3500 with 480,000 miles on the clock. The trailer was overloaded and the grade was at least 10%, I suspect more like 12%. Anyway... not paying attention to the gauges I did not realize that my oil pressure had dropped to absolute zero and my temperature gauge was buried to the right. The check engine light suddenly came on and I immediately pulled over. The hood was to hot to lift without taking off my shirt to use as an ad-hoc oven mitt. The heat coming off the engine looked like the Nevada desert in summer.

A fella came along and helped me out by getting me to the auto parts store. I bought 3 gallons of Rotella and 3 gallons of coolant. When I came back the engine took almost three full gallons of oil and 2 gallons plus of coolant and water.

Of course only a moron would even try to restart this truck.

She started perfectly on the first crank and finish the grade and the next 6 hours. I did have to pull over every 30 minutes and add another half gallon of oil. She was not burning oil she was spitting it out at a bad fitting directly below the P pump.

Very few engines will take this degree of abuse and not go down on you. Therefore, I will remain a fan of the Cummins 12 valve engine forever. I'm also a fan of the 4bt, but that is another topic for another day.

Back to the topic at hand. I will not buy a new vehicle with all of the government rules regulations mandates and other horseshit for $80,000. I simply will not do it. I will however completely refurbish a classic vehicle and continue to use her for another 20 plus years, God willing.

I have an excellent diesel mechanic that is willing to do the repower. Extremely skilled and extremely knowledgeable of the Ford everything. His bread-and-butter money is fixing 6.0 engines. I have built him several weapons in the past... and he holds me in high regard

I am convinced he can can do a proper repower.

Between the cost of the Excursion and the Cummins engine... less the sale of the V10 and the minivan I will add $25,000 to the project and hopefully get a nice interior, brush guard, small lift etc. As well as a repower. Of course the vehicle will not be new... it will be refurbished. In my opinion it will be worth the effort. Personal property taxes in Virginia on a new $80,000 vehicle approach $6,000 per year. So one must consider that as well. Personal property taxes on this refurbished vehicle should be under $100 per year.

My specific reason for posting this topic is for the acquisition of general knowledge from people that have performed a similar type project on a Ford pickup truck or that might have interest in observing the retrofit of this truck.

To those that have posted links and provided useful and helpful information I am sincerely thankful.

To the rest of the audience that has the reading comprehension skill of a Schnauzer and thus has spent well over two hours reading this 1000-word diatribe... good luck and might I suggest velcro for your next pair of shoes.

Also... there is a concept that used to exist in America prior to the Communist takeover so prevalent in society today... if you did not like something... you did not have to participate in it. If you did not know something you were not required to participate either. I realize these concepts are foreign to many people... but I will offer that your measure of stupidity is often directly tied to not speaking about things which you know absolutely dick.

BTT

now that detailed post explains perfectly why and what you want to accomplish....go for it .......bob

I have to ask though....mini van...come on man

Holy schidt!

Game Wardens pull over soccor mom/dad minivans with 6 deer stuffed in the back... NEVER.

But yeah... you are are right... minivans suck the rest of the year.

Though I don't post often, I must say.....................Some of you are a bunch of pricks! Never have I been on a site where there are so many insults and general nastiness for no reason. If you do not have anything nice to say, then don't say it.
And yes, I am an Oregon native, and proud of it! I am as conservative as they come, and am totally livid about what this great State has become as a result of the Liberal politicians, but I am stuck here until I pass (hopefully in a few years so I don't have to put up with much more [bleep] that is so prevalent about the left coast).

I guess that is why my post count is so low....not because I fear the nastiness from some of you, but because it is ridiculous to partake in the absurdity shown by so many!

Flame suit on!

BUMP to see how your project came out Cash...I might be looking to do something similar. TIA

NEED INPUT!

Had some family stuff... project got put on hold. Original Excursion and the 12 valve went bye-bye.

Still may do it... found a good deal on an F-250 yesterday... blow 7.3 engine... manual. 4x4.

Working details...

Also found a deal on a 6 speed 24 valve... $3,800...

If it comes together I will post details... until then nothing to report.

Did pick up an 89 the other day... just for giggles/investment...

Cash why not just buy a brand new truck with all the bells and whistles? Oh I forgot there are non to be found! I'm sure you have other reasons than that though.

I know a guy that used to do some pulling and he did it in a F250, he wrote "Destroked" on the side.

I want a 4BT project truck…….

I won't own a DEF truck... no hard feels to those that do, but I will not... hopefully.

The 2008-2012 6.7 Cummins manual 4x4 is my constant search... very hard to find. VERY VERY HARD to find.

2011 is the last year before DEF if the truck was sold as a Cab and Chassis.

I do have a deposit down on the 2022 Tundra Hybrid... V6 with twin turbo... Hybrid is NOT on the engine... it is on the 10 speed automatic transmission.

ALLEGEDLY it 12k on towing capacity... If the MPG hits around 30 I will buy it... if not, I will probably pass. Final specs and price are NOT OUT YET. But I still put down $1k to lock in on one.

YES... I trust Toyota... at least more than I trust anyone else... ESPECIALLY Ford, Dodge and GM and the UAW in 2021... bunch of woke bastards.

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Bought my bride a 2022 Sienna Hybrid AWD... Crazy impressive on the tech. 36 MPG rating. MSRP $36,400 on the LE AWD.



YES... it's a gayass minivan...

NO... I don't care...

4BT in a CJ-7 would be titts... but I am past that bend in life.

I considered doing that in mine. I went with a 93 Ford 5.0 instead. 85 Jeep CJ7 that is. I'm with you on the newer trucks. My project right now is a 97 square body F250. Just picked up the rebuild 460 today.

Cash, saw a 6.0 powered excursion today. Seems like it would be simple since there’s already 6.0/Cummins conversions worked out? Probably buy one with a 6.0 more reasonable than a V10. Know a guy that just bought a minty 7.3 powered excursion for $20k. Fugkin steal.

Dayum, I wish it worked out. I think a 6BT in a 4x4 Excursion would be an amazing build. If you pass on the blown 7.3l or 6spd 24V let me know, I'd like to look at 'em.

That actually seems cheap for the Sienna AWD, but I'm still leery of hybrid/electric vehicles. At least the minivan has usable cargo space compared to most hybrids.

That was a steal... damn impressive!

6.0 Excursions are hard to find... especially ones that are not toast on wear/tear.

The 2004 6.0 was a real problem engine. By 2005 Ford had worked out some kinks. 2006 Excursion was no longer produced.

The V-10s owned by soccer moms are the best donors... but they are getting scarce to. The one I had lined up for $3k was sweet, but stuff happens.

$10/gallon fuel might squeak a few gems out of the woodwork.

Sure thing... AND if I pass I will give you honest intel on what I see.



I hear you on that... but I have been blown away with POSITIVE Toyota CS on hybrids... so they got the hook in me on trust.

I noticed today we have new buses with Cummins engines.

Is your mechanic still willing to do the conversion for primers? That is in case you find another 12v & a cheap Excursion?

I’d like to find an 8.1l powered Suburban.

CashisKing;
Good evening to you sir, I hope the day's been a good one for you and all the folks who matter in your world are well.

We had a run up the mountain to chase coyotes today and wouldn't you know it, somehow my Ruger American .223 didn't pick up the top round properly when I bailed out after spotting a couple on the way down the logging road.

Next week we'll be up there calling instead of too far up like we were today.

Anyways as I've stated previously the first and only new car my good wife has ever decided to buy was a 2019 Rav4 Hybrid.

She doesn't have all that many kilometers on it yet really, but yes Toyota has been on top of any recall or service issues with hers.

It's a bit of an odd drive system they've got actually even on hers - here's a video explaining it better than I could, but to me it seems like an electronic planetary drive they've made up, more or less.



She's averaged 5.3 liters/100 kilometers or 44 mpg US since she's brought it home - that's about 99% commuting in the mountains I'll add.

On hers the AWD system is pretty good as is the electronic suspension settings when one puts it on Trail. She says it's not quite as good on black ice as the Forester she drove before, but it's got more power and way, way better mileage.

As always that's a sample of one, but a sample nonetheless.

All the best to you all as Christmas approaches.

Dwayne

I was going to do this conversion on a 2004 6.0 F350, but ran out of time to do it. I sold the 12 valve I had sitting in my shop, but I still have the proper fuel plate/turbo/down pipe matched for this type of conversion that you are thinking about. Let me know if you plan on going forward with this and I can make you a very good deal on them. They are all new. In fact, I have two of the fuel plates because one was sent to me by mistake.

saw this and thought of this thread

I look at Subs FS across the country occasionally, & surprisingly, 8.1's show up fairly often. Craigslist & Auto Trader.

Did I same primers? If so that was a not correct. Yes, he will still do the work if I ask him... probably cash and/or guns as is typical between us, but I do have plenty of primers and powder if he needs that.

Not sure if I understood your point.

Thanks... that would be great. Drop me a PM on the price please. Never hurts to gather parts for a future project.

OK, you actually didn't say he'd do the job for ammo & primers. Maybe insinuated? But I am corrected.

But that was an immediate a memory of this thread, a stretch to do it, labor alone way up there, likely more than half of the total. A lot of primers. was just a thought.

TFLTrucks on YouTube ran a new Tundra several hundred highway miles and got an average of around 18.6 MPG.

IMO, Toyota royally screwed the pooch with the new Tundra. Towing and payload are still in the lower half of ½ tons. As a guy who has been happy with Tundras for 19 years, I'll likely be going elsewhere for my next truck.

Sent you a PM and forgot that I have the matching injectors also.

Apologies on the cutting of your post... to just meat and potatoes.

Indeed they are quite odd, but I will say that that strange Japanese logic does impress me in the end. (i.e. We have an old beater Honda CR-V (2005)... the drive train is super impressive, but the "Americanized" sensors and EPA stuff makes the dash light up like a pinball machine). Don't really care... it will be a dedicated WV ATV in less than a year anyway. It was a $2,700 beater acquisition. However, not having a Low range transfer case will mean I will have warped rotors more often. 12% grade roads just do that.

I have more faith in Toyota than Honda, but only time will tell if that is further warranted. We had a hybrid failure on another Toyota... car was at 185,000+ miles and 11 years old. $4,200 repair, but Toyota covered the cost 100%... I was super impressed by that... thus the new era loyalty for us.

As for the MPG... indeed 44 is impressive. Unlike many, I have found Toyota to be honest about MPG.

My wife's new minivan is a basic grocery getter and dog hauler for her basic needs... was not looking for more. AWD make good sense for our WV travels. We did look at the Highlander hybrid. The ground clearance was about 1/4" better (IIRC) and the price tag was about $7k more so we declined. More "manly" if that is important... but not really that important for us... others? I very much assume so. Minivan are globally hated. The Sienna can be lifted to a small degree... may consider that also.

I was concerned the Sienna (4 cly. VVT engine and two electric motors) might lack "punch", but it seems OK so far. Time will tell as we begin to pull some grades.

The 2022 Tundra Hybrid is very unknown to me... If it does not pan out... I will not buy. But the 12k towing absolutely caught my attention. My 4 Cummins trucks have similar tow ratings, but I far exceed that often... as high as 30k here in the past couple of months... but don't tell DOT.

We have about 10-11 vehicles now... will sell a bunch as the economy further implodes. I saw an article the other day that the BS chip crisis might last 2 more years... who knows... I don't trust any of it anymore.

Have a Blessed evening... Leonard

OK...

I have build John a fair number of custom guns... and ammo... and set him up to reload volume. We run a fairly tight "rat pack" in these circles... Cash prices and gun deals ALWAYS work out well with the few of us in this pack.

I figure a normal shop would cost me about $10k (I supply everything)... figure John would be a couple of rifles and maybe 5-10k rounds of custom ammo, but in the end he will tell me whoa when he is happy. Kinda how we do things here.

Gotya, I've done same, trade my skills, ammo, for others skills. Your labor numbers seem realistic now.

Sounds like a project that will be nice in the end. Getting there might be a headache! Would like to see the finished product. Not something I would do!

So it's OK with you that I proceed with MY project with no further permission slips required from you? Just checking...

When you are done installing the Cummings, you will have a hermaphrodite that is worth $5,000.

OK... was there a point to that opinion?

I have a 2004, mine has 214,000, guess there is a lot more left. They made some changes to the motor in the middle of 2004, more torque I think.

It's perfectly fine with me with or without wise cracks from you.

Having my 12 valve rebuilt, over 5 grand in parts so far need to order ARP head studs.