https://nypost.com/2022/09/27/montana-woman-kills-skins-husky-after-mistaking-it-for-wolf/

More fodder for the antis.

Wonder if there will be an investigation as to who dropped a dozen dogs off in the wilderness. Wife rescued some Newfoundland pups from a few miles out a forest road in AZ once. Cutest things ever. We, and our dogs, had the pleasure of their company for a few days until we found a shelter that could take them.

I dislike the folks that abandon dogs in the woods more than the dumb woman who shot one.

That sucks, bet she feels like crap Also who the hell let those other 11+ dogs go in the wilderness?! Far more pissed about someone who would willfully try to dispose of their pets by abandoning them in the woods vs some girl who accidentally shot a dog and most likely regrets her mistake (which she openly admits to).

LOL

"OK, ok..........it's your Elk lady but can I at least take my saddle off it"?

I have seen this floating around. I was not convinced it was real

Fricken idiot! I guess the dog's owner now knows why it never came home that day.

Did you read the story?

There were 11 more left out there, miles into the woods.

There "owner" knows why it didn't come home...............................they didn't want them to.

Looks 101% Husky to me.


Maybe she doesn’t know behavior and body language aside from it LOOKING LIKE A SIBERIAN HUSKY.

Upon walk-up and closer exam, a bell should have rang out in her mind

“So this morning I set out for a solo predator hunt for a fall black bear however I got the opportunity to take another predator wolf pup 2022 was a great feeling to text my man and say I just smoked a wolf pup. #firstwolf #onelesspredatorMT,” Rose wrote.

Could have been worse, she might have cooked it up for "her man" before the mistake was discovered.

Flathead county Montana Sheriff’s office is investigating Amber Rose Hart for allegedly killing and skinning a husky after mistaking it for a wolf.

Would certainly look like a wolf to me in the woods. And in my experience with free range dogs in the neighborhood of my cow pastures they act like wolves. Huskies are known chicken and calf killers.

And this story is another great example of how foolish it is that some folks post EVERYTHING on the farcebook before they should.

The yellow Rubber Duck it was carrying in it's mouth was the tip-off.

Yes but I appreciate persons that post pics. Good or bad. 😀

Yep

So...it would be better for a shelter to kill them than a hunter?

Her and “her man” look like a pair of jackasses. I don’t believe the story of shooting it while in fear for her safety for a minute, but I can see someone mistaking a husky for a wolf several miles inside of a wilderness area. Possibly, low light, a wooded or brushy area ect.

I guess it's easy to see why feral horses got protected.

+2

I searched amber rose, this is world news now, pages of ''news'' UK/Aust./Europe. Spread the word, guns/hunters are evil.

Was she using a Wyoming Arms Sendero?

6.5 Wizard is a hell of a round apparently.

This in spades!!

Woman skinned out a husky and took pictures of it with her rifle in the bed of her pickup 😳😂

I’m glad to see that it wasn’t anyones lost pet.

LOL. No fuggin way. This has to be a joke.

Who cares.

Several miles into a wilderness area?

It isn’t the fault of the shooter and I’m pretty disappointed in people here who have suggested it is.

Whoever let their dog roam that way is the responsible party. If someone just let a dozen dogs loose back there they need to have their butt in a sling socially and legally not the shooter.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/17642075/re-whoops#Post17642075

The pic that SupFoo posted is hilarious. She's so happy and proud. LOL

That husky looks even smaller than a coyote let alone a wolf.

I mighta held out for a bigger dog in the pack to shoot.

Lol

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It's going to make a interesting hat ....

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When I was a kid, a local breeder was raising white German Shepherds.

A photo came out in the local "Daily Wipe Press". A guy was holding a white canine and captioned, "Local man kills rare white wolf."

The next day, another picture came out in the "Sports" section of the "Daily Wipe Press".
A gentleman was standing between two white German Shepards.
That photo was captioned, "PLEASE don't shoot my white German Shepards!"

I shoot dogs on my property. And when I do, it ain’t because I’m a dingbat misidentifying them as a fox, yote, chupacabre, etc.

And I don’t kill them because “oh no they are struggling out on their own and I’m puttin em outta their misery”

nah man… I smash em just because they are running thru nosing around thickets while I’m up in a tree. I put a lot into a deer set.

Got a trailer park about a mile from our place. Too bad so sad.

Got these two on the recent radar, they are on my smoke list

I remember the guy who shot a ranchers Llama and argued with the rancher it was an elk. Game Warden finally convinced the city-boy it wasn't an elk.

Cuzzin, uncle, nephew…. The point is don’t go posting this chit on Facebook.. so many people these days looking for acceptance immediately hit Facebook and post things.. right now peta is using that picture for an ad campaign they will raise millions of dollars off this dipchits quest to be cool on Facebook

I’ll pass on a beagle, blue tick, walker, lab, hound

Mutts, sheps, pit bulls, collies, boom boom boom

We all should care because peta lives for this type of chit.. As I posted already they will make millions off this idiots picture because she wanted to impress her Facebook pals..

What about a Doberman?

"....I thought could be a hybrid during this time my safety was top priority this animal was growling howling and coming at me like it was going to eat me,” she wrote on Facebook.

Translation - Dog was nuzzling her hoodie pocket, trying to get the Double Whopper with Cheese and Bacon, Amber brought for lunch. So she put the muzzle of her rifle to him and shot the little prick. After-all, Amber paid big money for that burger.

I’ve shot plenty of wild dogs and feral cats. Never put their picture on Facebook.

Black or red?

Sometimes even when we lose, we win.

Oh fugk that’s good.

LOL

You said everything I thought when I read this.

The scum who dropped these dogs out there should be skinned alive.

Final paragraph from another report on this..

"Meanwhile, police are trying to track down the people who dumped the dogs in the forest. Many of them were infected with parvovirus, which can be deadly if untreated, according to authorities."

Dumped dogs have parvovirus, "actual" wolves kill and eat the sick dogs. Wolves die from parvovirus. Sounds like a win.

One less potential feral dog to deal with.

Reminds me of an episode of one of those game warden shows......woman posted vid to social media of herself shooting alligators from a boat or something[an illegal method].

I know ranchers who (supposedly) dumped parvo infested dogs off in the Big Hole specifically for that purpose.

Well, there is that.

Protect the wild pigs coming up next?

Not sure about her area, but even around these parts we have no kill shelter.

If that parvo thing turns out to be true, that would have taxed some resources at any shelter though.

Guess the fuggers could have just done the burlap sac and the river deal?

Ooh I didn’t think about that let’s go red

I'm calling dibs on the antlers!

We still shoot stray dogs in this country. What's one more huskie ?

kwg

What's the problem?

I bought my first Whopper in quite a while today. At the price I paid, my own dogs wouldn't be safe if they tried to scarf down my burger!

This isn't the first story of this type I've read, I think there was another from Montana a few years back. This doesn't happen here in Minnesota where S-S-S is the rule of the day. It's only those who actually shoot a wolf who get caught as they can't keep their mouths shut.

Should have shot the rest, they'll be running down deer and elk and whatever else they can catch.

I agree. Killing a feral dog, or cat, is a favor to everything else in the forest.

The woman who posted alla that has no idea just how stupid she is...

But I bet by now she's starting to get a clue...

There was an idiot down state that went deer hunting the first time years ago when there first started to be enough deer around the state to hunt. He tried to check in a goat and said it was a spike buck. Adult beverages were more than likely involved.

I am curious as to why there is an investigation. Stray dogs are shot fairly often in MT. Especially in cattle and sheep country.

She was watching too much Dr. Quinn medicine woman. This is what a "wolf" supposedly looks like, according to that show:


I don't know why she was posting that stuff on facebook. Who knows? Who cares. The people really in the wrong are the ones that dropped those dogs off in the woods.

Somebody should’ve shot him, not the wolf / dog hybrid he’s posing with.
Before he released that horrible song “ Achy Breaky Heart” and before he spawned that whore of a daughter, too. 😂😂😂

Judging by her FB posts after the fact that's not a bet I'd take lol.

That wolf-husky pelt will hang nicely by her chihuahua-fox mount.

Same!

What law could she have broken?

Hunted Brown Bear in Russia a number one of times. One morning the Russian guide came out of his tent with a damn nice fur vest on. He didn’t speak very good English. I asked him what kind of fur it was? He said “Hooski “. I couldn’t understand him either. After several attempts he said “Dog”
That Husky made a really nice vest.

That is how it works here in Oz, and if they've been deliberately dumped in the bush it is on the people who dumped them, not those who knock them.

I personally like dogs, and have nothing particularly against pet cats either, but for ferals in the bush I have no compunction at all in dropping them. Better for them than taking a bait, and better for all the natives (and, in the case of dogs, game and livestock) they'd kill.

I don’t believe that’s your first husband, Billy Ray. He lied to you sweetheart.

Back in the 70s, hunting in Germany, you were required by to kill dogs or cats running loose in the woods , even those with collars. Had to try and see if a person was there with them but they were required to leash their animals so a loose one was to be killed.

Oh, hell no. Take what you can get!

Years ago I and my Lab were surrounded and shadowed by a pack of wolves. The one that came out on the trail 30-40 yards ahead and did the classic canine "come play with me" to my Lab turned out to be a 9 month old female pup.

The pelt looks just fine on my wall.... but I won't ever walk up another that I've shot- if I ever do - until it is thouroughly dead.

The bit about "watching the green fire die in the eyes" (Aldo Leopold), still haunts me. Just a little. Won't stop me from shooting another, tho.

Or truely feral dogs either.

No way was that fatass 11 miles in a wilderness area on a solo bear hunt.

No Vortex sponsorship for her.

I thought about the same joke. Ha Ha


"OK, ok..........it's your Wolf lady but can I at least take my collar off it"

You can drive all up and down through the drainage she was in.
Not even very far of a drive off hwy 2.

Being they were able to round up the other 11 dogs and take them to the pound tells me they were probably just walking along the road or hanging out in one of the campground's there.

https://dailyinterlake.com/news/2022/sep/27/hunter-who-mistoo3-dog-wolf-under-investigation/

https://dailyinterlake.com/news/2022/sep/26/more-11-abandoned-dog2-found-hungry-horse-reservoi/

Between this story and the Third Reich, I'm really starting to like Germany.

She thought she was shooting a wolf. If she didnt have a license, theyll nail her for unlawful hunting. The intent was there. If you shoot a robodeer, youre busted, even though its not a deer. If you sell or buy a bag of fake drugs, youre busted just as f it was real. I remember a few years back reading about some woman in idaho was walking her dog off leash, sone moron shot it, and she flipped out of course and called the local authorities, and he said he thought it was a wolf. Problem was, wolf season wasnt open. He got busted for hunting wolves out of season. Dumbass shoulda said he thought it was a coyote.

Having been around a Husky or two, I’m sure the little schit deserved it.

Sounds like the wildlife needs more people like her. Maybe she'll kill a grizzly on her next hunt. People piss and moan about the damage the wolves and bear do to the elk, yet are to cheap to waste a bullet.

That is good!

Another example of how social media and drive by media is just where two dicks met.
Only a goofy suburbanite with no outdoor experience would mistake a dog for a wolf, only a goofy suburbanite with no outdoor experience would lament it’s killing.
I like dogs, but packs chasing deer or cattle have to be dealt with. Ours gets out and slips her collar on occasion and I worry about her a bit till she gets back home (a few hours later) just because we’re surrounded by idiots.

Amen to that Geno!

I put an orange collar on my wolf for this very reason....

Cool pic!

Yup. And Burns was spotting for her.

She looks OK. Just a good stocky country girl.

What exactly is the crime lol. The dog was running wild and got shot, the end. I had a neighbor one time with two giant German Shepard’s that barked ALL Night long and slept all day. One of them was mistaken for a werewolf and shot with a .22, the other one went mute. Sh:t happens when you don’t keep your pets under control .

Target ID is rather important. If one cannot tell a dog from a wolf then perhaps one should not hunt. If the dog was charging her as she claimed, well then shoot the damned thing but don't call it a wolf and go the social media route to show the world what a dumbass you are.

I may have mistaken about half a dozen dumped pit bulls for wolves over the years around the farm........

Me too. Also Chow, Huskie, Catahoula/Pit hybrid. If they chase calves they're wolves.

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I pick up several cats ( sometimes more ) every year that get smushed in the street out front
and manage to struggle into the alley on the east side of the house or into the shrubs along
that alley and they die. The animal control dept is supposed to come pick them up, but they're
probably too busy napping and waiting for time to punch out and go home and nap.
Lots of roaming dogs and cats that people let roam, lots that get dumped out, etc.
Best way is to control and keep your pets contained on your property.
Nobody has any gripe coming otherwise

chow chow

lol

Them things are chicken killers and won’t quit. Like the energizer bunny

Bet she drinks Busch at wolf camp.

We trust folks so much that during rifle deer season (especially), the whippet boys wear hunter orange vests with reflective strips on them too.

And we have them on leash the whole time.

If it was just locals, we might not worry so much. We all pretty much know what a 'yote looks like (and they don't look like whippets) but being in an X zone we get a lot of folks up here from the civilized areas that draw tags. And we don't trust them.

Rightfully so.
I've been in the X zones hunting and have seen some real bozos.

Being a husky lover who, along with my wife, rescued and placed over 100 huskies during the course of a 12 year post-Balto run .... that gal can eat a donkey dick. She should regret it. The breed has peobably done more for humans than any other cannine gene pool in history.

Did she shoot it while it was licking her ?

Yep. (Two time husky owner here)

Man I gotta get myself a wolf camp.

I already got the busch

Me either… that being said, she probably saved it from starvation or depredation by REAL wolves later this winter.
The statement that she “proudly texted my man” reeks of some sort of manufactured “STORY” like that Smollet BS…

OK, she shot a dog that looks a good bit like a wolf. It was out unattended in the wild. It's a dog, it's not like she shot somebody. Apparently an unwanted dog at that. A lot of dogs are hauled off to the woods by their owners because of bad habits like chicken killing or biting when the owner ought to just kill the dog themselves. For a while I relocated problem alligators and found out they would be a problem at their new home. I started tying them to the nearest tree and calling the alligator hunter to come reduce him to hide which is what this nice lady did. It doesn't matter what breed it is if it's out running wild.

Dogs runnung the woods wild get shot by Fish and Wildlife here! Wolves get a pass. Not hunting dogs with the human, but those running wild. Also if they are in your pasture, dogs not controlled, are vermin to many!

Just because a dog gets dumped in the woods doesnt mean its suddenly a deer killing feral dog. Most just dont have it in them. Let alone the one this dumb bitch shot, it was a six month old pup. No way was it killing deer. Sometims a dog that gets dumped in the woods is just an abandoned dog that needs help, not a feral dog that needs shot.
6 years ago i was deer hunting and a 6 month old pup that had been dumped in the mountains came running out of the brush and "charged" me, and collapsed on my feet crying. No way was he capable of hurting a deer or anything else. To this day the big sissy is afraid of deer. Even afraid of a dead deer hanging up.

I am not for shooting dogs... many here claim to shoot any loose dog they see... that is a special kind of fuucked up!

Give any animal 6 months without human interaction.
It will be either dead or feral.

What a fuggin retard! She should be banned from hunting for life!

What's a special kind of fuucked up is people dumping their dogs out in the country or woods because they are tired of having them.

Not usually "any" one around these parts.

But, let one start getting after someone's chickens, goats, horses, beeves, etc and they will likely get shot.

Wife and I have gathered up one or two and with help located the owners.

Neighbor gave a warning shot to one that was going after his hens. It didn't skedaddle. The second shot was now warning. Someone was wondering what happened to Fluffy.

Certainly can't disagree with that.
I live in the woods, my dog is never on a leash, my dog rarely leaves my property. When she was a pup she wandered a couple times before I could train it out of her.
If some pos shot my dog I would have been furious
Also I have encountered several wandering dogs on my land, if they have tags I kennel them and call the owners. No tags I shoo them off

Most people don't shoot dogs.

I bet the investigation turns up some more interesting items. Especially if the parvo infection thing is correct. Never thought about someone basically using pups as a disease delivery system to get rid of wolves, but I guess that would be possible. Not cool purposely letting pups get that disease though. Not cool at all.

We encourage our neighbors to shoot over our guard dogs.

They hate gunfire and high tail home.

Stupid mistake but dumped dogs running free in the woods get shot. Dogs running free in the yard get shot. Keep your pets under control at all times. I might try and see if I can find an owner if the dog has a collar and looks very well cared for. Other than that it’s toast.

Tinman did bring up an interesting point about parvo dogs and wolves. Can't imagine someone purposely exposing dogs to parvo for that purpose. How about if they already had parvo?

I think it's wishful bragging on their part. If they live in a place with loose dogs running around, then the folks who own those loose dogs might not take to kindly to such claims, be it pitbulls in the hood or hound dogs in the holler.

Ever consider taking them to the pound? did it ever occur to you the dog got loose by mistake? you are a piece of schit if you shoot dogs

I agree, but the pound needs to make it easier to drop off an animal to be put down. If it was cheap and easy, I suspect more people would do it.

Somebody abandoned 2 dogs by my house. I took one in and tried to give it away, nobody wanted it. I called animal control and they gave me the third degree and made it difficult to get rid of the dog. No wonder they had been abandoned.

I'm not saying it's right, but I could see why people would take the easy (but wrong) way out and just dump it.

hay now don`t pick on Busch beer ! >that`s more of a Miller light thing or that awful IPA crap .

Any dog that is dumped and seems friendly gets a meal and a place to stay till we find the owner or call the pound.
Pitbulls and any other dog that is aggressive and causing problems is a whole other story......

This^^^ is good and reasonable

Good post Rum. I agree. I also agree with Geno. If a dog is killing livestock of any kind, it should get put down. If it's brave or dumb enough to attack a person, it should get put down. I've put them down for that. And yes, it was a pit. Nuff said.

Go back to your day time television.

if you have too ? SSS

Somebody dumped a dog off here two years ago and I'm glad they did. He showed up on our porch one morning covered with burdock, scared and obviously starving. He's sleeping beside me now and is one cool little dude.

I used to be a cold hearted, ruthless person when it came to dogs running loose through our cows. And November through May we have 600-700 head of critters within 2 miles of a rez town so I get quite a bit of interactions.

But I learned that 90% of the time the dog(s) won't cause any trouble.


Chase 'em off with the pickup and shoot a few shots in the dirt, that's generally enough to keep 'em away. Anymore I really dislike shooting anything much less a stupid dog.



Almost shot this rascal when she was tearing around our little feed yard barking at the calves.


Now she's our best buddy.

Yeah. Most time no real problem with cattle.

Had some heifers ran to death one year.....that was a problem.

Brother Sam, I feel your pain... I used to shoot stray cats, no questions asked... then not long ago my wolf treed a cat in the yard, I went out with my 22, looked up and saw a young well cared for cat in the tree scared schitless, grabbed the dog, went inside, it scurried down and left to never be seen again. Guess I have gone soft

Be kind to the puzzy....




Okay here's a quick question/hijack.


What breed is this bastard?



Long story short(rescue) my wife was told it was probably a chihuahua mix. That was a month ago and it's still growing like a weed which is slight problem as I don't want a big house dog... Or a pit mix...


World's largest chihuahua?

lol

About 2 months old now and maybe 8-10lbs. I should weigh her, looks part lab? I'm not up on breeds and weights on puppies, etc..

Chohooha.

Doesn’t look like much like a chihuahua . I thought lab too or a retriever

Cry cuzzin'!


lol



I gave her a rez name.


Mingie, short for mini G.

As long as you guys don't see any pit blood I'm good.

I see you got the nice puppy pads down already.

Looks like some rat terrier blood in that pup. Shorthair, Sam? Or lab shedding type hair?

Jack Russell , lab mix.... good luck....

Just a dumb Facebook thot being a "like" whore....

Some reports that she bought her wolf tag after the fact. If so that's even funnier that she shared her stupidity with Farcebook.

I have mixed feelings on the responses!


lol




MW, I think she sheds, and I know she bites.....lol

Cute little bugger.
Looks like a Rez Terrier to me.

G'damn terrorist is what she is...lol



But she's learning.

Send its dna in and it’ll tell you. I don’t see much pit there , maybe a 1/4 at most.

LOL. Looks like some Lab mix in there Sam. I bet she’ll make a good lap dog.

The only dogs I shoot any more are pits and pit-crosses.

If there friendly acting, I try to call them over and see if they got a tag. Getting kind hearted towards stray dogs in my old age. 😬

It’s the Asswholes that dump them that need to be shot.

Well done … as mentioned, no vortex sponsorship for her! 😂

Yep

Yeah, but unless one is running a puppy mill, how do a dozen dogs get it? Assuming that turns out to be the case.

Lots of questions still to be answered.

That's a good idea.

The whippets would clear out too, especially the youngster who hasn't heard that yet except from a distance.

Sam your rez dogs look a little off, they should look more like this.



And yes the shelter told my son he was a lab mix!

Mixed with javelina and chupacabra lol

OK, that's kinda funny.

did you post that in the optics forum?

Be good for 40 pages down there.

Hahaha!
Good idea.

Samm O.

I'm going with the flow.

Lab in that pooch, how much and mixed with what other kind? Who knows.

Guessing that at her age and weight she's gonna turn out to be a 40 pounder. Anyone agree?

Sucks she posted her screw up on social media. Admire her enthusiasm for killing wolves though.

With the size of them feet, 60 to 80 lbs. easy

I agree. 35-50lb. Probably with an attitude.
Should be a fun dog.

I have no issue with shooting a dog but dam girl don't call it a Wolf

So, like shoot em first and them take them to the pound??

Bummer she cut her tag on a husky, you don't have to tag those.

Thankfully, she can buy more wolf tags.

Wow

Closer to 220 I'd guess. .

Well Sam

consensus so far seems to be she ain't gonna be no chihuahua sized dog.

Best get a bigger can to store the dog food in.

Sams little pup?

She don't look like she's part mastiff.

No, the chick.

Agreed. If this same dog ate lead because it was running a deer, everyone here would be applauding.

Taking it upon one's self to shoot someone else's pet, or livestock, because you don't like it's present location may not be prudent in all situations and jurisdictions.

One was running deer, one came running to me when I was opening a gate. Keep your dog on your property or on a leash, it's your responsibility as a pet owner. I'm not putting up with someone's animals causing me grief on my property.

Certainly. There are ways of going about things properly.

I don't care if a dog is running deer I won't shoot them for that. In fact it's illegal to do so here. Very rarely will a dog catch a deer or run it to exhaustion or death.. You can legally shoot them for harassing or killing livestock.

Owners who let any domestic predator run wild should not be surprised when it ends up shot.

Back in my Ute, almost every woodchuck hunt resulted in killing one or more feral cats.

Some were bigger that BobCats.

Many wild dog packs were culled during deer season.

Just 4 legged versions of Jambonies in the inner city,

It's no worse than this 'elk' shot in MT by a hunter from NY a few years ago.

Yeah right.

Pounds in the Missoula area are full and often won’t take in anymore, especially a whole litter or so I have been told. I am guessing it is the same up in the Flathead?

To the thread in general: I despise folks dumping dogs and have seen it a few times over the years. I have shot some, but only after seeing them several times and they’re either obviously feral or they’re constantly chasing livestock/wildlife.

If I can catch them and they look even relatively well cared for, I will try to find the owner and take them to a vet to see if they’re microchipped. I am a dog lover but only give them so many chances before they catch a bullet.

Yeah,

she could prolly throw you a good one though.

What, you've never seen a "domestic predator?"


We used to have one, he was relentless. Golden retriever, patrolled the premises and if he ever so much as got wind of a stray hot dog or ice cream cone, it was toast.

Little kids with hot dogs or ice cream cones were kind of a specialty for him. Snatch the goods right out of their grubby little fingers.

I honestly do not know if the pound up here is full.
Your solution sounds good and reasonable.
I am not for never shooting a dog. At times it's appropriate.
It should never be the first and only solution!!!!

Alpha..... no doubt

👍

Daughter's farmer boyfriend has takin in four feral dogs in the last several months, using three to guard equipment now in some very remote and isolated property. The other one he made a pet which absolutely adores dear daughter. Well all the dogs love her, the messican workers and other people not so much I'm told.

This one likes chasing down rabbits and bringing them back prizes.

He may have been just indicating a lack of belief in anything Larry Root says.

Nah. Wonder if Rene is indicating that UpThePole idiot is just another Maser / NoElkSlayer/ Jason Cardenas sock puppet.

Several years ago there were 3 dogs frequenting my place that killed every fawn born that year. To understand the problem I would have to show you an aerial photo or take you for a ride around. There are 70 acres adjoining me that has about 7 or 8 trailer houses of black folks that have dogs which used to run amok, they were bad dogs. One of the 3 dogs was a big solid black and I have never seen a dog that could chase a deer that fast. He had 2 white dog companions almost as fast that would come in behind him. One day after carrying my rifle all day looking for him to show up I finally climbed up in a box stand at about 4:30 to try for a deer. A doe came streaking through at top speed, then the black dog so fast I couldn't get a shot. I had been trying to get a shot on him for a month after getting lots of pictures and finding several half eaten fawns. I called the state trapper for advice. He told be to set a big Conibear body grip trap with the trigger on bottom and to tie some red raw meat to the trigger which is what I did, and I had him the next morning dead as a hammer. Then I caught one of the white ones and the other was put into captivity by the owners.

As for that Husky the girl killed. They are bad dogs out in the country also. My neighbor to the north had 2 calves killed by a mama Husky/Pit hybrid and her 4 big pups about 8 to 10 months old. He made the mistake of complaining to the keeper of the dogs and was rebuffed. He went and climbed up in a nearby box blind and when they returned he shot the mama dog first and then shot all 4 of the young dogs.

Dogs will certainly kill deer and calves. I think for the most part we have convinced the black folks their dogs ain't comin' home if they come our way. We bought our place with our own money to raise cattle and hunt not to provide entertainment and beef and venison for bad dogs.

I've seen dogs chase deer dozens of times. Only once did one of my coon hounds catch up to a doe. When he did she apparently landed a good kick as he yelped and came running back with his tail between his legs. I've witnessed beagles chasing deer many times and watched the deer circle and wait, watching and listening until the dogs caught up before taking off again. The dogs never caught up and eventually give up the chase. I know dogs will occasionally catch and kill deer but it's rare. Mostly happens on deep crusted snow which I doubt you get much of in the South. It's funny you have so many feral dogs/packs running around down there. We rarely have them here. Strays yes, ferals no. Coyotes kill far more fawns than dogs do around here but there's always been plenty of deer.

You probably don't live in close proximity to blacks, meth head white trash, or an Indian Reservation. They love big bad dogs.

Nope, wouldn't live in a place like that.

This may also explain my point of view.... we have non of the above... I rarely see a loose dog and if I do it's somebodies pet that got loose.

I had an old friend once now deceased that murdered two huskies that killed his granddaughters show sheep. He liven in the country and the owners lived across the road. They let those dogs run free. He disposed of the remains. They put up reward signs but never found them.
Dogs can be destructive especially in a pack. One roaming around in the wild is at jeopardy.

Key word in Hasting's post = "fawns."

Huhh?

Well, so was I but I did it with more panache. That's what Conrad needs, more panache.

My neighbors down the road let their dogs run loose all the time. They come up here and play with our dogs out in the yard regularly. I've seen them in the woods out back here many times while out hunting. I've never seen them chasing deer. If they cut my track they'll follow nose to the ground, come right up tails wagging and wanting to be petted. At that point I may as well go home because they'll follow me around wherever I go. I'd never dream of shooting one.

My neighbors Rottweiler came over and killed my 11 year old daughter's 4H show goats that she had put a lot of work into. This happened about 2 weeks before the fair. They wouldn't pay and I never got the chance to kill the dog. A couple of years later their dogs were killing our chickens one day when I wasn't home. My daughter took her .243 out there and shot them with the neighbor lady watching, but she swore she saw me do it.

From time immemorial, they've knocked the _ick off the dumb ones.

Panache is an excellent attribute.

Ain’t no different then them folks coming down here and shootin’ some ol ranchers big ol’ rambouillet ram.

On purpose.


Or them folks shootin’ "wild cave goats" over there around Garner state park on the private land!

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Geezzzzz

I've wondered if the Cain and Abel problem didn't stem from a dog versus livestock issue. Cain was a crop farmer and Abel was a herder. Maybe Cain's dogs got into Abel's sheep when they were in Cain's crop. I believe Cain and Abel were tribes and there was a pretty good sized fracas.

I used to have an old lawyer friend (now deceased) in Winnfield Louisiana. He said every murder case in Winn Parish involved hogs, dogs, money ,or women with the hogs and dogs being by far the primary cause.

Dogs kill more people in Alabama than any other animal. We kill wild dogs and coyotes when out deer hunting. If a dog has a collar, we try to call him up and call the owner or fond out through his rabies tag. If no collar, he is gone. I know of my cousins friend who was attacked by 3 wild dogs that were chasing a deer during turkey season. He shot the lead dog with turkey shot and the other scattered, and he got out of the woods. He was shaking when he got back to the truck, and he was a cop. I have seen a fawn shread to pieces by wild dogs or coyotes.

Yeah, you're only allowed an antlerless deer a day for months on end plus 3 bucks a season. Sounds like the dogs and coyotes are just decimating your herd.

I likes em with syrup.

Blackheart, a fawn is not the same as a deer. A dog can run a fawn down in a couple of minutes. I don't plant 50+ acres for the wildlife twice a year, feed 25+ tons of corn and allow no one to walk in the woods so dogs can chase the deer off my property. It ain't going to happen no matter what the law says or people think.

Fugg these people in the fugging neck.


I am over having to apologize for every fugging thing the antis or the left doesn't like.

Before long you will have to pixelate a dead animal.

Oh no....the eyes popped out of the coyote you shot in the head?


Can't post it!


Oh no! You blew the brains out the ass of that gophers?


That's gonna look bad for us!


Oh no! You canoed that does head with a 110 grain BTip out of your 300 win mag?


You bastard!


You janers think there is a limit to what someone finds offensive? Nope.


What about the time we were killing our bunnies and Young Daniel chased his mom around with a still beating rabbit heart?

#canceled


Head to an art museum if this shìt bothers you.

Buttermilk panache are my favorite.

Dogs chase em off they'll be back within a day. Radio collar studies conducted by DEC proved this. The deer don't belong to me, not even when they're on my property. They're wild animals that belong to the State and I sure don't have a need or obligation to feed or protect them. I just hunt them when in season.

I rest my case.

I agree 100%. I follow the law and I do my best to not gut shoot or wound an animal so that it suffers. But as a wise man once said, "frogsnacks!!!" When you're hunting an animal you're trying to perforate the damn thing with an expanding rifle bullet, and it ain't gonna always be pretty. And don't get me started on "respect for the animal."

Would you live in a low lying area and not have flood insurance?

I live in a high lying area. You can't believe a word they say out here.

Did you post a video of that?

I wish I had been there to see that. Even better than handing mom a glass of water with a hopfrog in it!

Smokepole.

where's your panache?

Jim has posted pics of himself in that yard with his red longhandles on and a cheap beer in his hand.

Can't get much more "panachey" than that.

Are you channeling your inner 5sdad?

Surely you don't have a problem with those who not only hunt game but protect it on their private property do you? You know, plant food plots, keep dogs and poachers out, raise way more game than they ever take?

What about folks that give a dirt nap to killer dogs and wolves? This whole discussion began because a girl was hunting in wolf country and killed a Husky that does in fact resemble a wolf, especially to a young hunter that had no reason to believe a domestic dog would be in the wilds of Montana.

Do you own livestock? I don't have that many but $100,000+ is a very significant amount of money to my family. We raised every cow we have from baby calves and our kids and grand children would like to have a few deer to hunt. I seldom shoot anything anymore except targets, hogs, and predators.

Attagirl.

It's fully legal to kill trespassing dogs on private property, especially when there's a threat to livestock or humans. Not sure about public lands, but that was a .... bad call. Obviously into the "huntress" vibe. Oooops. Whoever dumped them needs to be found and prosecuted.

Word is the sheriffs office is getting 20-30 calls a day from Karens all over the country demanding Justice

Lmao

Wondering if it was the legal weed or the elevation.

Sheesh!

Both???

Could be, you know how those high lying types are!

That thing would have been in egg drop soup in China years ago but nobody gives a schitt about that.

It's gotta be a riot for the locals.

I don't have a problem with shooting dogs to protect livestock or people if and when it's legit. I do have a problem with pathetic ass holes who shoot every loose dog they see under the guise and assumption of protecting deer/game because it's generally bullshyt from those who just want to kill something. Feeding deer is illegal here so yeah, I'd have a problem with someone doing that too. You feeding deer is your business if it's legal in your locale. I can hunt all over and am rather good at it so would have no need to feed/bait in an effort to keep them on any particular piece of ground even if it were legal.

Justice for Juicy!

I have spent a good bit of time in our sheriff's radio/dispatch room while writing reports. It is truly amazing what trivial crap people call in about. Sunday afternoon seems to be one of the worst times for some reason.

Geno, and gents.


I hope you're correct in the 40lb guess.


Regardless she's our dog now, ain't no going back!


And this morning my wife informed me that mystery pup is suffering from what appears to be a UTI.

Yea... Here we go...

You dirty dick mofo

I thought rez dogs were immune!

Once again you demonstrate a complete inability to comprehend.

Is feeding deer unlawful if done by growing a crop of peas or wheat for them? I am talking about a crop where the deer are eating stuff growing from the ground, not corn thrown out for them to pick up?

I don't get it, what do you mean by that?

You just don't get it Hastings. It's not whether it's legal or not, it's all about whether blackheart is OK with it, based on how it's done where he lives.


That's our frame of reference here.

No, he's channeling his inner smokepole.

Ahhhh.

Now I get it.

Maybe.

5sdad?
is that you again?

LMAO!! Holy Chit that's funny.

That's an interesting question and would likely need a lawyer to determine the answer in some states.

Can't bait doves, but apparently can plant sunflowers and such and they can feed on the leftovers from a normal ag operation?

Well, if one plants peas or wheat, and then goes out and harvests some for their family's use, is one now baiting deer or operating a pea farm?

perfectly clear .

He's pretty funny, but he ain't no Jim Conrad.

A rule of thumb for dog weight that I learned from a vet years ago is, double their weight at 4 months to estimate adult weight.

It’s worked pretty well with our mutts.

Good information. Because you've got to know the size so you can be sure to use enough gun.

It's not unlawful to plant food plots anyplace that I'm aware of ? Food plots same as baiting just on a bigger scale no ? Why do it ? Is your land such poor habitat that you have no deer if you don't feed them ? Wait, don't tell me, you do it out of the goodness of your heart to benefit all wildlife and sportsmen alike right ? LOL .....Hey but seriously, whatever floats your boat. It's your money and time. Food plots/feeding are nothing I'm interested in doing.. Things like tractors, plows and feeders are tools of the farmer. I'm not a farmer, I'm a hunter and a hunter has no need for such tools.

Baiting deer is perfectly legal in a lot of places. Baiting migratory birds is illegal federaly. Shooting someone's husky pup on public land, skinning it, and then posting hero shots online is priceless.

The suggestion that habit improvements are somehow unethical is likely the dumbest damned thing ever typed on the internet.

So is aborting/killing full term human babies.

Whoa.... Maybe not the best analogy.
Baiting often is a tool for population management. I've never done it. Dang you know how to make friends.

I fully support the shooting of any and all dogs.


-Flave

You should look this husky shooter up.

Planting crops for the purpose of attracting/holding deer on a property for deer season and calling it habitat improvement is a stretch at least here. What determines carrying capacity and survival come winter is available browse. Opening the forest canopy for increased browse production is far more beneficial than planting crops that are covered with 2 feet of snow and nutritionally worthless to deer come January.

This is correct.... winter range determines deer numbers in places with a real winter. Supplemental crops will only result in more starving deer

She’s kinda stout.

Two feet of snow on the ground where Hastings lives?

You have a vivid imagination.

Well, if it wasn’t for deer feeders here 30 years of off and on drought combined with habitat loss would have killed off all the deer around here. In the past 50 years I watched the the quality of deer herd here improve exponentially. It’s a bit unbelievable how its improved.

They would have died off Bob?

Sounds like their basically livestock………

Cue the haterade from tx lol

Quite possibly. When I was a kid here on the place if you saw 5 bucks with branched antlers you were damn lucky. I have over a dozen nice animals showing up on cameras now. No telling how many others out there I’m missing.

Mom said deer had all been cleaned out during the depression where she was raised kinda next county NE of here. She didn’t see a deer in the wild until after WWII.

Since end of July to date, we’ve had about an inch of rain. Before that we hadn’t had any rain since middle of May. All seven of the tanks on the place here been dry all summer.

Met a guy at a safari club convention that was a Texas deer breeder.... so yep like livestock.
In the mountain west that schit don't work

The point is that maybe legality isn't always the yardstick to point to in determining ethics. Population control would be far less of a problem if there weren't landowners intentionally fostering population beyond the natural carrying capacity of the land by feeding and limiting hunter access. In fact, state game managers here will tell you their biggest obstacle to proper herd management is limited access to hunters on private land.

There’s a lot of that stuff does go on. Im too poor to do that kinda stuff. BTW, Jim we are down to 9 grown head of stock.

What happens to all those deer when the people feeding them die or stop for whatever reason ? Is keeping the population unnaturally high to benefit of the deer or is it to benefit of the hunters/landowners. What you have there is livestock.

I said "here" you fuucking useless hippie moron.

Population is not unnaturally high. We, as well as other ranchers are simply trying to maintain a healthy population. We do work with game management as well as habitat management. 125 years of land mismanagement takes time to mend. Thats what we are doing now.

It's been bad here too.


We get no rain....but it still gets 40 below!


I don't know how the deer are surviving. They are lighter by quite a bit.

Very few twins.

I couldn't believe they bred this year!

Habitat I guess.

Pûssy is a powerful motivator across all species

Jim. I understand. We had a new well drilled about 2 weeks ago. First one on the place since about 1938. Old well will be strictly for stock. We could use one more on the back 250 acres

If population isn't unnaturally high there's no need to feed.

Once you start feeding, you cannot stop.....

We often don't get a frost until November. Get a little snow every now and then. Melts off quick. Winter wheat, turnips, rye, oats, and clover provide food all winter. We also planted over 20 acres of nut bearing trees 1/4 of which are sawtooth oak that some years produce bountiful acorn crops that fall in September. We don't ever kill over 1 to 3 deer a year and lots of hogs. Mainly we like to see deer and feed various wildlife. Don't like hogs or killer canines at all.

Nailed it !

That's a good point in theory, but you are wrong. It's your New York wildlife management agency that's the problem Blackheart. Doe tags need to be issued over the counter to the hunters. Instead of some dumbass doe draw on October 1st and then maybe hunters can get some leftover doe tags for a certain zone or some shiet. New York has some screwed up game and gun laws.

Sounds like a nice little shooting zoo you have created

LOL, while you were admonishing a guy from Louisiana. No one gives a shìt about "here" dipschit

I do

You're almost as parochial as blackheart.

Almost.

Democrats will hate you...

I will not deny that.... I love the wild west...

I certainly hope so, my friend! 😊

We do have second draws for leftover doe tags. I got two leftovers last year and had 6 total for the season plus my antlerless and either sex archery tags and of course my rifle buck tag.. My lifelong best friend was chairman of the NYS conservation council for many years. Through him I got to know exactly what goes on here within DEC and the obstacles they face. I am not wrong.

If I had enough land and money to grow feed for deer.... I would and I would shoot them... and I would have a shooting zoo....
Instead I chose to be poor and live in the mountains.... and chase wild deer, elk, antelope, sheep, bear etc.....

Im going to see if Jim will sell me a tag for next years beef.

Think my 22-250 would work with the ttsx’s?

Off to ignore along with Barnard and for the same reason you stupid bastard. You're always so eager to pounce in a desperate and futile attempt to prove you're semi intelligent and not a total retard that your reading comprehension is that of an 8 year old and you aren't worth my time.

Your choice. Others choose to live elsewhere. If you have acreage in the south or east and can plant things like nut trees or annuals to attract and have more wildlife on your property, why wouldn't you?

That would work fine.... in Texas you would need a 300 mag....

Ignore us for pussies. That's what they say.

What about when I shoot elk at our Colorado ranch? There is a Natural meadow there we just happen to bale for hay. I have been guilty of shooting elk in that meadow. It’s about 600 acres. I mean that meadow grass just grows there. We don’t do anything to it except cut and bale it. 😁

I would.... but I wouldn't pretend it was real nature and some kind of wilderness and compare it to such.... it's simply specialized farming & ranching

This is acceptable.... if I can go with you...

OK, so maybe you can point out the guy who's pretending what you described above?

Just about every Texan.....

And here I thought you were rich ?

Land around me is $30k an acre ..... in Arkansas it's what $2k an acre?

I knew you would say that! 🤣🤣🤣🤣👍👍👍👍

Whatever it is in Arkansas is too much.

I even tolerate the hogs! 😁

Right? who would pay to live next to meth heads with pit bulls.... and clover crops for deer?

Texas is lookin better everyday

We bought ours in January of 88 for $400 an acre. All the farmers and feeder calf grazers were broke then. Now you couldn't buy it for $5000 since it has navigable water on 3/4 mile of it. Got lucky and had some dry powder at the time.

I lived in Oregon... I know all about hogs.... with purple hair, tats, fat and attitudes.... oh wait....

Wow.... $400 an acre... I would have bought all of it... very cool

Oh I stays outta da big city!! Sodom and Gomorrah!!!😱😱😱😱😱😱

Well why didn't you say so? I agree

Jealous turds! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I am glad you see things my way.... was worried for a bit you relocated to Mississippi or some such place.....

Is land $400 an acre in Texas?

Not quite in this neck o’ the woods

You couldn't pay me enough to live where it's 100+ degrees for months on end. I just couldn't tolerate that heat.

This thread really has potential.

Oh, absolutely priceless.

Odds are, 30 years from now she'll mention her name to someone in an offhand manner and the reply will be


"your that chick that shot that husky"

Re: Fed law on baiting migratory birds......I can never understand how that works when some State agency requests that a farmer put in some sunflowers, like those fields renegade posts pics of, knowing full well the reason the sunflowers were planted rather than soybeans or turnips is so that the doves have a reason to hit that field. Seems kinda sketchy to me.

And maybe get chased by a wild bear instead of the other way around????

Will that include the trespass fee or is that a separate expense?

Yeah,
Every duck I shoot is shot over flooded rice fields.
Whatch gonna do? Not my fault that ducks love water and rice.

Or??

plant native plants and not turnips and special stuff from Mossy Oak?

Trespass fee is so cliche...I prefer "Quality BreedingFee."

Ymmv

I know, most of those rice farmers are gonna plant rice anyway though, right?

Seems I've seen some stories about DU and the agencies getting them to make some adaptations to methods in order for the area to hold more duck though.

Are we now getting back to where it's not "baiting" per se, but getting awfully close?

I wonder what the philosophers would say?

Well, if the landowner was smart (probably not a Texan )

that "Quality BreedingFee." would be tacked on to the tag and the trespass fee.

There's also a cleanup fee to remove the blood from the field so as not to spook the other Quality Bred critters, and then a disposal fee for getting rid of the cleanup items.

Guide fee for the person that leads you to the particular pasture you are to hunt that morning.

Wrangler fee for the person that wrangles up the critter you'll be hunting.



I wish I was rich, I'd buy some land in TX and set up a deal like that.

You are not from Eastern Oregon, I hope. I have heard stories of how ewes, heifers, and fillies get "bred" on that side of the Snake R.

Louisiana. I just want to ride my bike with Paul Barnard.

Worthy goal..... do you even remember how to ride a bike?

Of course. It's just like riding a bike.

I was telling a buddy I want to get one of those electric bikes for hunting gated logging roads.... he looked at me funny and said there is no way in hell I can picture you riding a bicycle.... he had a point, so much for that idea....

Oh yeah... that didn't work so well for President Brandon recently.....

If I do it on my own it's considered baiting.

If the govt asks and pays me to do it....it's considered habitat creation.

For the butthurt crowd this morning!

It's a damn good thing I own this land and pay my taxes on it... That means I actually get to do WTF I want to do on it without any Jr. high drama queens having any input. LOL

You couldn't pay Texans enough to let you in.

If you aren't belly crawling through prickly pears you ain't huntin!

Or kicking brambles and dogs and State Patrolmen with your steel toes.

That ain't huntin,' that's just your typical Friday night.

One of the husky mixes abandoned near Doris Creek in September. Though King has a new home after Lowney adopted him, the animal recently was struck by a pickup truck during a walk.



Jeff Lowney just wanted to give a couple of the dogs that were abandoned up the Hungry Horse Reservoir in September a better life than they had before.

But for one dog, the streak of misfortune didn't end with a new home. As Lowney's wife walked it recently near the family home on West Reserve Drive, it was run down and badly injured by a pickup truck.

Lowney adopted two of the husky mixes abandoned this fall near Doris Creek. All told, 18 dogs, all husky mixes, were left to fend for themselves in the forest. One was shot by a local woman who thought it a wolf, an incident that garnered headlines around the country and across the world.

The remaining animals ended up at the Flathead County Animal Shelter. When Lowney saw the dogs become available for adoption, he made an appointment. He came home with a white 7-month-old female puppy named Nina as well as King, the father of the litter.

A few days after getting the dogs his wife took Nina and King on a walk along the sidewalk of West Reserve Drive. Both dogs were on a leash.

That's when a white pickup truck jumped the curb, slammed into King and nearly hit his wife and Nina. King ended up 50 feet in the middle of the busy road, gravely wounded and unconscious. The truck sped off.

Lowney was on his way home for lunch when he saw King, his wife and several other people gathered on in his lawn. They had moved the King off the street. When King came to, the dog started lashing out and bit Lowney on both hands, requiring stitches.

They got the dog calmed down, put him in a car and took him to a local animal hospital. X-rays showed King’s pelvis was shattered.

King was then transferred to Great Falls where his pelvis was rebuilt with screws. But three screws pulled out, so King had to make a return trip.

Two more surgeries later the dog is now home and doing much better, Lowney said.

“Since I adopted this boy it’s been a rollercoaster,” he said.

"I just want to give him a better life than what he had," Lowney added.

Nina, the pup, is growing rapidly. She’s 3 to 4 inches taller and has gained 10 pounds.

As for the abandonment of the dogs in the first place and then the shooting of one of them, Lowney summed it up with a single sentence.

“A new low for humanity is what it is,” he said.

Lowney’s hands are on the mend, too. He works as a mechanic, but can’t fix things until his hands get better, he said.

What is latest from Montana on this poor girl that shot a feral Husky? There was quite an outcry at first.