It's all woods where I hunt these days {state forest}. Rare to get a shot past 80 yards. At the distances I kill my deer a .30-30 is as deadly as anything. It's still fairly common to see other hunters carrying lever action .30-30's, 32's and .35's around here. In fact, I got a bunch of friends together one afternoon to do some deer drives here a couple years ago and 3 of 6 showed up with .30-30 lever guns.