ill also add, 3 years ago Mayo received my file with x-rays and MRI.....answer my doc got back was basically "yep from the x-rays looks like he is in a lot of pain but nothing to be done until he is a better candidate for total replacement so dont bother sending him out, nothing we can do" after i got that response i got a appointment with the sports medicine guys out at the University of Washington in Seattle to talk to the guys that do lots of work on the knees of young athletes.....got the same answer from them as Mayo gave me....

you got a real [bleep] solution for me im all ears......

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