I have quit trying to guess what is accurate or not in the media, especially when it relates to Gaza

but there are claims that Israel used a bait trap of flour to lure hungry Palestinians in to get food and opened up on them

that is disturbing

I don't know what to believe when it comes to what Israel will or won't do

Well we know what those Hamas mutherphuukers will do.

Gotta wonder: would worms n buzzards eat them nasty bastids?

I am pretty sure where I come down with regards to the Berkley students...

Berkeley democrats shatter the glass as Jews hide inside. Here’s the video.
https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1763258410135322658

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Nothing disturbing about killing murderers.

Yeah, I quit believing both sides a long time ago.

And sad to say, Im really starting not to care

Treyvon Martin- - - - -Michael Brown- - - - -George Floyd- - - -and a whole bunch of Ham-ass goat phuggers- - - - -all of them quiet, peaceful, and permanently "reformed"- - - - - -I don't see anything wrong with how they happened to get that way!

Great idea!

Both muslims and jews hate Christians - let them fight, it's across the Atlantic Ocean.

They allowed a child to sit in their vehicle with dead parents inside, while she was on the phone with police begging for help. They used her for bait and when help showed up, they killed all of them including the child. A little girl. Imagine that was one of our children. Listen, I know Hamas is evil. What so many miss is Israel is really bad as well. Fugg em all

Yup. We have no business there. Let them kill each other til their hearts content

God of the Israelites cedes no territory to His adversaries.

Was the information based on a Hamas press release?

Disgusting.

Well, first you have to understand that the only "victim statistics" reported by American "main stream media" are numbers generated by the "Gaza Ministry of Health"

Secondly, the "Gaza Ministry of Health" is actually run by Hamas!

Thirdly, Hamas is a terrorists that hides behind it's citizens and sets up its headquarters under hospitals and other "Geneva Convention" forbidden targets.

Hamas has also murdered it's own citizens to keep them from evacuating Israeli designated bomb targets! (that also inflates the already inflated GM of H death count to look bad for Israel!)
Oct 7 was an Israeli holiday. Hamas attacked "especially" on an Israeli holiday. Just more terror.

Hamas is now berating Israel because Israel doesn’t want a "Ramadan" (Islamic holiday!) cease fire!

Israel 🇮🇱 will allow a "cease fire" "IF".....
Hamas surrenders unconditionally and releases all hostages!
Hamas refuses either condition.
Even if Hamas did, they would honor neither!

In fact, Yasser Arafat (PLO leader) signed peace deal after peace deal with the Israel. .....and broke every one of them!

P.S. - in fact, at one time, IIRC, Bill Clinton offered Arafat every condition he asked for......and Arafat refused the deal!

at face value, I can't see supporting the killing of people lining up to get flour, maybe if it was all men military age, but women and children.....

and I know Hamas didn't make that distinction, but not everyone in Gaza is Hamas.

Why? Baiting in your quarry has been done for centurues. It is called war, it isnt called holding hands. You win wars by killing more of your enemies than you enemy kills on your side.

We are no better. Look how many women and children we killed bombing cities in WWII. War is ugly at all times

Is this an ethics discussion about baiting?

IE. shooting over bait?

So killing innocent women and children in the name of war is ok? WTF!

I think it's more of a discussion about purposely killing children?

you're right its war. Just bad optics

My sentiments exactly. Well said!

The Israelis see all the gazans as the enemy so no matter who lines up for flour hamas gets it. So they of no human values sends their women and kids to be shot for their flour. The Israelis had to learn that the hard way and you all want to armchair quarterback them?
Mb

How is this report any more reliable than the reports we are bombarded with accusing Trump of attempting a coup on January 6, 2021?

I say "BULLSHIT."

I’ll make it super easy

F Israel
F Palestinians

Don’t send aid to either.

It isn't our battle. Why do so many give a crap? Are we the world's keeper? They have been fighting since the dawn of man. We aren't gonna stop it.

You can't believe anything you hear from either side anyway.

I seem to remember this round was started by Hamas anyway. Don't start no sh_t, won't be no sh_t.

Pretty much, kemo sabe!

Don't forget that Gazans were a part of the Oct 7 raid.
Gaza citizens also helped hide the hostages....and fought along side the terrorists....and sheltered the terrorists

All thumbs are fingers, but all fingers aren't thumbs!

If it isn't Hamas, it will be Hezbollah, or the Taliban, or ISIS, or Iran or whatever other radical Islamic group that deems Jews an abomination to Islam......which is all of them.......per Islam!

Regardless of the media bullschit and lies, I’m having a hard time drumming up to much give a schit over 2 packs of dune coons fighting over a patch of rubble.

Good luck to them, I guess.

You are supposed to ask if we care ?? I'm struggling with an answer.

kwg

Well Samuel Clemens was wrong . You can fool some of the people all the time .

Could care less. Not my people, not my fight. After what Hamas did all bets are off. All the "innocents" have to do is police their own and not let them hide amongst their ranks.

Hamas hasn't been known to be the most truthful organization in the world. They've been known to commit come real atrocities and I wouldn't be surprised to find out that they did something like this themselves just to put the blame on Israel. Anybody that will strap a bomb to one of their own kids isn't a good person.

It's not necessary to go halfway around the world to find the same kind of attitude- - - - - -just take a look at the porch apes and welfare parasites in Noo Yawk, Detroit, Chitcago, Atlanta, Memphis, San Fran Freako, Loss Azzoles, and any other inner city ghetto who allow the gangbangers and drug pushers to hide in their midst and "didn't see nuffin" when the schidt hits the fan! Who GAF if a few of them get caught in the crossfire?

SPOT ON!!

Yes

That's pretty much the way I see it.

Down through the last 15 to 20 centuries Christians have given other religions plenty of reason to hate them.

Most Christians I'm personally acquainted with support and respect Israel and Judaism in general.

As far as this "news" report about a massacre at a food distribution, it sounds and stinks like false propaganda by the Gazan murderers.

These Gazans are the people that took the generously given foreign aid and used the money to dig tunnels for the purpose of killing their neighbors.

The key to winning a fight... You better damn well be meaner and willing to do more than your enemy. If not , you lose.

Nothing pretty about war.

What's the saying? Alls fair in love and WAR.

I spent 5 months off Beruit Lebanon with Marg 1-83. Multi-National Peacekeeping Force. Those ragheads fought every damn day.

whenever a terrorist or a future terrorist is removed from the equation , the world becomes a safer place .

If they really wanted to hunt Muslims over bait, they would have staked out a flirtatious young goat...

Jews see all the non-jews as the enemy.

sad to see so many folks carrying water for Islam based on Islamic propaganda. Remember 9/11? No Jews were flying those planes.

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The Israelis or the Muslims? I'll stand with the Israelis every time.

no Muslims attacked the USS Liberty either.

How did you come to that way of thinking?

Hasn't been my experience. I think they see me as a customer. They have the easy to hate position of being middlemen and banker/broker types.

Sounds like a load of crap to me. That's right out of the Hamas propaganda machine.

Me also. And they will prevail.

The miracle of their survival in the diaspora and their return was foretold centuries ago.

One thing Israel does well if left alone by the UN and such is defend their border. There can be no doubt in the minds of their enemies that you shouldn’t fork with the Hebrews.

It's in their fkn holy books. The world belongs to them and everyone else is there to serve them. Look it up.

Isn't the Old Testament part of the Christian Bible?

What the phoock do you think is in the Quran?

Flour massacre OP. What propaganda outlet started that story? Who cares if Muslims are killed, before they kill . To many soft people that don't understand, if you are not muslim, and don't convert, they want to kill you.

In what part of Exodus, Numbers, or Deuteronomy did you find that? Or was it hidden somewhere else in the Old Testamtent?

I read them all and did not see it.

BMt

You want to take the fight out of your enemy, take away what he's fighting for.

It is, but the Old Testament didn’t become the first part of the Christian Bible, first. Early Gentile followers of Jesus were not enamored by Judaism or Jews. But they ‘were’ enamored with Jesus, and they found patterns in the laws, narratives, and psalms of the Hebrew Bible that acted as metaphors and allegories that pointed to the Messiah, who they recognized and believed to be Jesus. So they eventually adopted the Hebrew Bible as part of their own Christian scriptures.

Have you ever owned or driven a Japanese or German manufactured motor vehicle?

I once owned a Mitsubishi Eclipse car. Do you know what else Mitsubishi used to manufacture?




Mitsubishi A6M Zero
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_A6M_Zero

I saw the story on CNN they showed an overhead pic of thousands swarming the aide trucks. The story was the Idf opened fire on a group,, the truckers panicked and ran over hundreds getting away. NO I have no idea of any of it being creditable. Way back when on 10/7 I made the comment that if the IDF wanted to wipe out the hamas they would have to kill all of them. Ain't changed my mind either.mb

Exactly. C'mon man. Whoever believes that is a moron.

We had Salisbury steak and green beans for supper.
It was good.😁




Considering who starts the fights,
Isreal is less bad than Hamas.


When it happened, I said the proper response from Isreal had to be biblical.
Or it would not fix the problem.
The world, probably including Isreal, does not have the stomach for Biblical solutions.
So, the evil ones will continue on. Until they can use Biblical force.

Why?

All bets are off now.

Finally. About time.

^ agreed

But 70% of them voted for Hamas and approximately 0% tried to oust and overthrow them.

Agree x2

How do you think we won WWII Moron. Fire bombing Germany, Fire bombing Japan. Dropping Nukes on Japan. How many women and children do you think that killed?

When you lose a war bad stuff happens. My ancestors in Louisiana and Mississippi suffered an invasion and defeat in 1865 after which there was a brutal occupation and outright theft of property. But we lost and that was that. Military victory settles things and it is seldom good for the loser.

different incidents, as you know. At least you are consistent and unwavering with your full support of Islam jihad.

My ancestors in middle Tennessee experienced the same thing. My great grandmother told us about union soldiers from Ft. Negley in Nashville foraging chickens, ducks, and small pigs from people's back yards by sticking them with the bayonets of their 1858 Remington rifles. Damyankee was, and always will be one word!

Correct, our hands are not clean. War is very wasteful

Yeah and youre a blood thirsty azzhole then. Innocent people dying is just so cool, huh? F uckhead

The jews and muslim fighters can kill eachother all day and all night. I could give a chit. Any of you who support slaughtering innocent women and children are heartless c ocksuckers

It's amazing the stuff people will believe because they want to believe it.

questioning killing people lining up for food is not support of Islam. Invoking 9/11 to justify it shows your extremes, not mine

I hope the IDF kills every one of those Hamas pieces of chit. Fuuck'm. Sort it out later. Enough is a enough. On 10/7 those fuucks brought it on their own.

There are solid reasons why sensible countries/tribes/etc. have tried to avoid war - death of innocents, ravaging of important places/stuff, deep damage to economies - these and other griefs come with war. That is why it is called WAR and why wars are horrible. This is the reality. Once in it, you have to go all out to win because the stakes for losing are far worse.

It makes no sense for anyone to draw conclusions and express anger on the basis of these terrible "reports", any of which can be erroneous and even fabrications/false hype. We are not there as witnesses to discern, and the truth already provides plenty of impetus for disgust and horror. The facts eventually become known, and they are bad enough - no use for the exaggeration and hyperbole.

Once war begins, its bitter fruit is inevitable. In the end, the big picture comes into focus - sensible people and history sort out who triggered it and why - they become the prime target for anger and upset.

Which parties have been doing the big attacking, killing, wreaking havoc, etc. in this century?

gunchamp: I had a friend, now deceased who was a draftee sent to Korea when that war was hot. He told me how the enemy North Koreans or Chinese would force crowds of civilians ahead of them as human shields in an attempt to run our side out of ammo. He said he and his fellow U.S. soldiers shot them down in droves and they were very thinly clad in brutally cold weather. He finally late in life got some psychiatric help from the VA. He told me of years of guilt and nightmares over what happened.

I doubt anybody here feels good about what is going on over there but what do you do when killers hide behind their women and children after they kill your women and children.

And as others have pointed out the civilians elected or at least allowed that government. It is a terrible and sad situation.

Your post is something i fully understand and is well stated. I know war is literal hell. War will kill many innocent. Every war has. My only point is to the ones who are cheering on the killing of innocent women and children. They should take a long hard look in the mirror and understand they have the joy of killing children in common with the demonrats. Maybe that will get through

You're about as sophisticated as a 12 year old girl.

Women and children that have been outfitted with "suicide" vests or other ordinance should get a free pass ?
Don't bother to look at them?

+1

No, I never said it was cool you blithering idiot. I am a military veteran with combat experience, something you don't have. Innocent people have died in every war that has ever been fought. That is a cold hard fact. You win the war by killing so many that the enemy folds. It is what it is and it is not my fault if you are too stupid to grasp that.

You are a fool and a child if you think war is clean. I've seen it. You haven't.

Youre a covtard so you got that to hang your hat on lmao

You have no clue. Really no point on continuing this conversation

Like I said, sophistication of a 12 year old girl.

Book of genesis Abraham and his wife Sarah can’t get pregnant,so Sarah has an idea for her husband to marry her helper girl from Egypt named Hagar. So Abraham does. Hagar gets pregnant and has Ishmael. Not sure God cares to much for this polygamy and marrying a foreigner. Hagar is not Jewish and bring an evil spirt into their house which is called Hamas. Then God let’s Sarah get pregnant when she is 80 some years old gives birth to Isaac. Things get worse and they kick Hagar and Ishmael out because of the Evil hamas spirt in her and her son. Isaac offspring become the 12 tribes of Israel and Ishmael s offspring become the 12 tribes of Islam. Hamas means evil spirit. Isaac and his parents Abraham and Sarah have the Holy Spirit.
Every time their is killing of babies in the Bible during Moses time and Jesus time it is the hamas spirit. Demons don’t die this is the same hamas spirit 4000 years later killing kids. I am no expert by any means and I could have some of this wrong I don’t have a Bible in front of me and please correct me.
Also interesting in the book of Judges about Gideon looks like the same war in the same place that just happen here in the Gaza Strip. Happened in the book of Judges. I just recently heard a preacher talking about all of this.

I think someone said earlier this has been going on since the beginning and it he is right it literally has been going on since genesis. Now are we starting into revelation? I don’t know enough to have an opinion.

Sounds like bullshit.

Sorry to hear you think of the Bible that way.

Listen to npr...lol

Sounds like bullshit.

See there's the problem. You people think they only have the OT as a holy book. That's completely wrong.

How liberal of you lol. Instead of looking into what I'm saying (which is a fact about whats in their books) you dismiss it as "hate".

I don't believe it and I won't until I see proof, not news propaganda. The likelihood of ever knowing one hundred percent truth is very small as each little group worldwide is pushing their own special little beliefs, whether religious or political.

Do you believe in the holocaust?

Interesting conversation with interesting points of view. I still couldn't care less what they do to each other in that land.

Yes. That was prooved definitively. Witnessed by thousands of Americans, Russians, Germans, Polish, British, French, Czechs, Italians, Dutch, Hungarians, etc. Tens of thousands of photographs, piles of remains, piles of possessions taken from the victims, camps, facilities, transportation, etc., all still present for the armies of multiple nations to witness, thousands of still surviving victim witnesses. Living corpses, tatooed with numbers, shuffling around by the tens of thousands. Mountains of human bones, ashes, hair, indisposed of corpses. Jews weren't the only up for extermination and everyone knows this. Anyone who denies that it happened is a [bleep] fool. The Soviets had their own Holocaust and got away with it scot free, exterminating as many people as the Germans did, probably more. Everyone was afraid of the Soviets and further war and let Stalin win. The Japanese pretty much got away with butchering a few million Chinese too, along with a bunch of Manchurians, Fillipinos, Malaysians, Indonesians, Koreans, etc.

That wasn't something that CNN and some Hamas representatives, some anonymous Twitter or X or whatever Musk is calling it today poster or some 24HourCampfire conspiracy wackjob came up out of their ass. It is irrefutable fact.

The whole damn 20th Century was a Holocaust. One slugfest after another, much of it ethnic or religious based hatred.

Kill'em all GOD will sort them out.

I have some bible quotes for you:

John 8:44 “You are of a father — the Devil, and the desires of your father you will to do; he was a manslayer from the beginning, and he has not stood in the truth, because there is no truth in him; when one may speak the falsehood, he speaks of his own, because he is a liar—also his father.”

Matthew 27:25 “Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.”

That was quite the effort post but you forgot the masturbation machines, electric floors, gas showers, nazis riding over jew necks with bicycles, the tom and jerry shotgun hole, eagle and bear cages, poisoned teeth german shepherds, boiled jew stew....all these were witness testimony lol it definitely happened, who else would come up with stories like this besides the people who write holywood scripts and graphic novels. the holocaust industry really took off in the 1970s. the japanese should have jumped on that cattle car and accused the US of jerking them off until they died or cooking them in a large pot and served to other japs with rice and egg noodles. they really missed out on some $$$ and power. never forget.

The Flour Massacre happened. Trucks of flour were let into North Gaza. It was the first food delivery in a long time. The residents who remain there are starving and rushed to them. Roughy one hundred men women and children were then killed and 709 or so wounded by Israeli soldiers as they got the food.

Those are the facts. They aren’t even disputed by the Israelis much that I can see. The dispute comes from the whys and the wherefores it happened. Each side has a story.

After seeing what the sand monkeys did on Oct seventh, I'm good with it. Just like I'm good with seeding the Rio Grande with Claymores...

Sportsmanship is for when nobody is looking.

But we can't protect our borders because jews are running the show here both with the border security and the transportation and facilitation of the 3rd world invaders.
And if you call them out about it you get called an antisemite and have to listen to holocaust bs.

I just now read an account of what happened in Aljazeera. Now we should wait for the truth.

Everything they are doing is beyond disturbing. But the Jews have historically suffered, so they can't be held responsible.

RE: BCBH post You're a very unintelligent man whose mind has been clouded by hatred. The foolishness you cited in your posting is obviously false and anyone with any real historical knowledge knows that it is. Only small minded gullible people who latch onto propaganda will ever believe such and these are the people who cause all of the butchery with their hysterical dumbfuckery.

If there is irrefutable proof that this "flour massacre" actually occurred how about some links to some information. Real information, not propaganda. In the meantime two groups of people are hating and killing each other over their religions even though ethnically there's not a nickles worth of difference between the two. Human history written in blood, my god is better than yours so we're going to burn your village and slaughter your people. Nation vs nation, ethnicity vs ethnicity, religion vs religion until the last one is dead. We're no better than the [bleep].

You'd likely be that way, too, if a super wealthy, and heavily funded, minority group were to show up on your property in huge numbers, armed, and started murdering and bombing your family, till most of the survivors left, and then claimed your land and home as their own.

This.

The real fault lies with the Europeans for [bleep] up the Middle East and Africa with their colonizing, especially what they did to the Mideast post World War 1. Today's happenings were inevitable. They shredded the world throughout the entire 20th century, finished off Imperial Russia so that Communism took over and are still fighting.

Read up on the history of the Irgun and the, so called, Stern Gang.

While that holds some water, it ignores that what you describe has been the norm with humans for all of recorded history. When do think it's time to relax the blame game? Should we still take the Mongols to task for the destruction they sowed? The Hittites? The Romans?

Sounds reasonable here

Yep, I bet they would be fine, upstanding folk had this not occurred.

"... Could care less. ..."
How much less?

20th century mess was just recent in a historical sense; the Jewish people had been scattered from the "Holy Lands" for centuries and the borders of nations /ethnicities was pretty well settled down into something relatively stable. The attempted extermination of the Jewish peoples pushed them to re-establish a nation back in their historical location, which was already in turmoil after the European powers redrew the boundaries. Within a short period of time you had large groups of people who hate each other's guts all pressed into the same area. The Jewish survivors having just escaped annihilation, determined to take a place of their own and the Arabic Muslims of different branches hating each other plus being displaced from where they were by ones they hated even more, determined to push them out.

Our great United Nations was supposed to solve all of these problems. What a joke.

That happened down here. We were dispossessed and lived on wild hogs, peas, and turnips for several generations while our land was stripped of timber, coal, and whatever the yankees wanted. We lived in shacks and traded in corn and hogs. Our land was taken for taxes and debts.

Again if it is true or not I don’t care. Actually for either side I could care less. We have more possible killers that have crossed our borders under Biden than the whole of Hamas. We have our own crap to deal with.edk

I'm unintelligent but you believe something happened based on the outlandish claims made by ghetto dwelling people who continue to make outlandish claims to this day and photographs taken behind Russian lines. Those claims I listed were used during the trials after WW2. These are accounts fabricated by people who wanted Germany to pay for kicking their subversive asses out. Did civilians die during WW2, yes, of course. Were jews systematically killed to the tune of 6 million (that number wasnt the original # claimed btw) by Hitler? No, would have been impossible given the circumstances of what Germany was facing at the time. There's no way you can make 6m people disappear without a trace in a few years whiles fighting a war on 2 fronts. I believe typhus is what the work camps and prisons were dealing with due to supply lines being taken out by the allied forces, not crazy contraptions intended for mass executions.

It's a damn lie and a blood libel against Europeans and people of European descent. It's about damn time that people tell them to stop beating us over the head with this lie while they destroy western civilization.

Well said.

Has anybody watched the video of the supposed "massacre"? The convoy came under fire which stopped them for a short time, then it was mobbed by hundreds of feral palestinians. A few of the animals got run over as the trucks were trying to escape. They should have been equipped with bulldozer blades.

If one would like to help Israel and make some money doing it there is an ETF type of stock under the symbol EIS. I bought some right after the October attack when it went down to the high 40s. It is selling for over $64 today.

I can hardly believe it, but some say making money is what war is all about.

Wake up, shabbos goy boomers.

Yeah HL sure did watch the CNN video then came back here to read others saying the gazans were all lined up politely for flour and were massacred for no reason. Lot people on this site just run their mouth regardless of facts..mb

I don’t give a damn what happened to the Jews 80 years ago. I’m not responsible and almost no one alive today is responsible in the slightest way. I feel no guilt and owe them nothing.

As for Gaza, whatever the truth is about what is being done there now, it’s being done with our weapons and our money. So, if Israel is wantonly killing civilians we are to blame and we are responsible. It would stop today if we said for it to stop.

I don’t really care about the right or wrong of it all. Whatever they want to do, they should have to do it without my tax dollars and weapons my tax dollars bought. So, in that respect phuque the Jews. They should pay their own way like anyone else.

:hand rubbing intensifies:

Why are the jews still going to schools where their lives are in danger ? I'd go where I was wanted and not under threat. People are idiots on both sides. They need to take their money and run.

kwg

Edited to add
I hope the Israelis continue to kill hamas terrorists until the last ones are gone and then it will be Hezbollah's turn to die. I do not feel sorry for any socialst moslem. I have worked with moslems who were good people in Afghanistan and FJB deserted them and let the taliban take control. But, a socialst moslem is just cannon fodder in my eyes.

kwg

probably a pretty good argument about a huge number of American deaths from wars in the middle east due to our unconditional support of Israel too

so when people say they don't care what goes on over there, do they care about how it affects us here?

No, their heads are too far up their asses to make that connection.

Israel is the most worthless “ally” ever. They provide nothing. We don’t/can’t use them in any of our ventures in the Middle East for fear of provoking our other “allies” in the region. They have no oil. Their military and economy is almost completely dependent upon us. We are hated for the things they do. They are either our complete client state or we are theirs. But we are not “allies”.

Git'r done IDF!

yep..well, they don't mind spying on us while our Senators give them billions in aid.

If you believe that you are the problem. Don't be a guppy.

Spot on!

How is that?

Sieg heil!

Not believing the Hamas press release propaganda. At all.

Do they have motive to lie? Have they habitually lied before? Did they back in October kill a bunch of women and children? Are they desperately trying to get the Western governments to call off Israel as they have always done when they are getting their assets whipped for their misdeeds?

Israel does all the same things, but in a different form. Once again, before I get flamed on, I feel both are bad, hamas a bit worse I guess, but Everyone has their panties in a bunch over the oct thing. Hamas killed innocent women and children. Israel said they did a whole lot more than what was proven true. Pretty much to get the masses all wound up and backing them for war. The same things that hamas did, Israel is currently doing and what Im hearing is we are all supposed to be ok with it. Hamas killed innocent women and children. Israel killed and is killing innocent women and children. Both are bad. This isnt directed at you Hastinsg, just rambling on

I guess according to some of the animals in here, I just dont have the stomach for war. And they are right if it involves killing innocent people. I care for life, innocent life. So once war starts, kill everyone and everything. Thats what Hitler tried to do. Why is he looked on as such a bad guy then if that what war is? We go to war over tyrants killing their people, but when we or the jews do it, its ok?

Pretty smart really.

I really don't care if Israel wipes the Palestinian schitbags off the face of the earth.

Dead Muslims, what's the problem?

They allowed a child to sit in their vehicle with dead parents inside, while she was on the phone with police begging for help. They used her for bait and when help showed up, they killed all of them including the child. A little girl. Imagine that was one of our children.

This story brought Scott Rittter to tears. She was a beautiful child. Israelis do not consider anyone but Jews to be human, this includes Christians, a sizable minority of Palestinian Arabs. 37,000 slaughtered or missing. Israel was founded on genocide and expulsion and will not stop until all 7 million Palestinians are dead or gone. They are vicious psychopaths no one here would want anything to do with at all. 80% approve of what Netanyahu is doing, except they want more! Their fellow Jews own all the media that report utter bullshit. Too many here believe it. Hollywood has been demonizing Arabs for 60 years. Truth be known, every keyboard commando here would be proud to do what Hamas accomplished on October 7. Ritter describes it as the most brilliant military raid in recent memory. Of course you have to know the truth, not the Zionist propaganda blitz covering up their intentional murder of their own civilians. And the Jews know too Hezbollah will utterly destroy them if they attack Lebanon. Their last hope is to drag America into a wider war with Iran, which we will lose and will obliterate Israel. Maybe what needs to happen to get our government back out of AIPAC's grubby fists.

In war, truth is the first casualty. ~ Aeschylus

All too often a campfire truism.

Some of the folks on here are parroting the sermons being spewed by mullahs all over the islamic world.

The arabs are slow learners and continue to get curb stomped by a tiny nation that shares far more of our values than do the goat rapers.

Hate them or not you have to admit those jews are tough, smart and determined.

YMMV LOL



mike r

It's okay because the MSM decides what we think about things, and they are run by the small hats. Politicians don't provide an alternate view, because they are receiving most of their campaign finance from the small hats. So it appears to us that all is well with what Israel is doing, because those who create our image of the world for us in the MSM and politics say so.

Everyone in Gaza is a terrorist, terrorist supporter, or a future terrorist. The only solution for Israel is complete genocide.

May I use this quote as my sig line?

False on several layers

Who are we to judge Israel. Just as our country has done they have laid claim to a piece of land and they are defending it. And maybe going to expand it. We did the same. And killed and displaced a bunch of people in the process.

And unlike us Europeans they had prior claim to the land that they reclaimed.

Military victory has settled the matter.

Personally I think they have shown a lot of restraint.

If I'm cutting the check, I get to say what it's spent on.

If you're going to hang your hat on the right of conquest, then that leaves the jews without land anywhere.

False equivocations using guilt over the western expansion of the U.S. is bolshie bullshiit.

No but you are naive. The world is cruel and war is brutal. It always has been and it always will be. Innocents have died in every war that has ever been fought and they will die in every future war as well. Why would you think this one would be any different? War kills people and destroys communities and even countries. You cannot wish that away and you cannot try to make it be any different. I have seen war, I hope you never have to because I doubt you would survive it.

On a side note anybody taking the word of Hamas on this is a fool. Remember when they tried to say Israel destroyed that hospital with a missile but it was them that fired it? Remember all the women and children they hid behind? Remember how they store weapons in schools and churches? They simply have zero credibility

True.

Now post up some false stories propagated by the Israelis.

If your position is that war is ugly and innocents are a line in the equation, that works on both sides. If you're not bothered by the deaths of Palestinian civilians, then to be intellectually honest you shouldn't be upset at the death of Israeli non-combatants.

It happens on both sides but remember Hamas launched the surprise attack and called down the thunder. They have no reason to cry about Israel hitting back. The fault lies with Hamas which is the sitting government in Gaza. Dont start stuff in the first place and you dont have to worry about getting smacked down. Hamas owns this shi+

The Church is the Israel of the OT and the fulfillment of the Law and has nothing to do with the modern-day apartheid state with the hijacked name.

So the Germans were right to kill the Jews? That’s pretty much the exact same logic they used. So, just to clear, it’s morally okay to kill entire ethnic groups as ling as it is expedient?

You would have to be fully retarded to make that comparison.

The present state of Israel and the Jews are the fulfilling of the prophesy of the OT. Jesus words and the prophets have to be dismissed to believe otherwise. It ain't over yet.

If one cannot see a miracle in the reestablishment of a nation after almost 2,000 years I do not know what to say.

The God of Israel is not a liar and the covenant made with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob still stands.

Otherwise explain how a group that comprises less than 2% of the world population stayed with their faith, returned to their ancestral homeland after being scattered the world over, and defeated the millions in the barbarous Arab hordes determined to destroy the nation as soon as it was reborn.

You have seen a miracle.

That is a broad statement totally unsupported by fact. When you cut that check to the IRS where do you get to say how/where it is spent? What was your sentiment on 9/11?

I was pretty sure it was not the jews or the cia that killed our civilians.


YMMV


mike r

Why, because you don’t like Gazans? The Germans didn’t like Jews. You said you were in favor of genocide, I’m just trying to get you to tell me under what circumstances you think it is okay.

. The “curb stomping” is via weapons systems supplied by whom?

There are lots of Jews that don’t live in isreal. Lumping them all into a single unit might be a stretch. Talk about broad statements …..

As to whether a Jew or Jews were involved in planning and executing 911 who’s to say? As to the cia’s involvement in 911 jury is out and the truth will not come out in either of our lifetimes. One word is all it takes to take the wind out of the sails of any of the isreal first fanbois Epstein.

I get to say how/where my tax money that is extorted from me at gunpoint in the election booth.

Unfortunately a lot of folks are cool with spending other people’s money on cuckraine and isreal and many other evil avenues.

Was it kosher flour?

How so? Israel wants exactly what hitler supposedly wanted. Extermination of an entire people. Ill ask again. Is it only ok to kill innocent people when we or the jews do it? So it was just war doing war chit on 9/11?

Spot on!!

And spot on!

There’s a lotta debate about the current state of the Middle East, particularly the state of affairs between the Jews and the Palestinians. It’s a pretty complicated and multi-layered issue to say the least. A huge number of Jews living in the region are not religious Jews, at all. 65% of Israeli Jews over the age of 20 ~ almost 2 out of 3 Jewish adults living in Israel ~ identify as secular (affirm a very basic belief in god), or agnostic, or atheist. They’re clearly not people who are sittin’ by the Jordan River singing praises to Yahweh and studying the Torah.

“Vital Statistic: Latest Population Statistics for Israel (2020).” Jewish Virtual Library. Accessed Jun 9, 2021. https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/latest-population-statistics-for-israel

People need to know these things…especially folks who hold Christian beliefs…and maybe it should make a lot of us re-evaluate some of our beliefs.

Is it possible that the nation of Israel that has existed since 1948 is not the same Israel that was guided by God throughout the Old Testament…? Is it possible that the connection exists only in two primary ways: 1) The name “Israel” and 2) The common rejection of Jesus as the Messiah…?

It’s a complex topic and ruffles the feathers of many who hold firm allegiance to the belief that Israel remains God’s chosen people. Does the Israel of today ~ the one founded in 1948 ~ continue to have a special status with God…?

Is it true that to be against Israel ~ for any reason ~ is to be against God, despite their prominent lack of religious beliefs and pretty strong detestation of Jesus…? Are they still the “chosen” people of Yahweh…?

The New Testament is very clear on the matter, i.e., that the chosen (God's people) are those who accept Christ, and none other. As for the physical descendants of Abraham, the New Testament teaches that God can raise them up from the stones lying about on the ground, i.e., this status is meaningless to him.

"And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham."

antlers,
I appreciate your postings in this and other threads. You have a mastery over the subject that is a cut above.

That's dispensationalist BS, but you believe what you wish.

Yep, pure John Darby.

Dust off

You are ignorant and immoral. But illogical too?

HELL YEAH! Just like gun manufacturers are responsible when hood rats shoot eachother...

oh wait.

Huh.

The miracle is how stupid people, like you, are so easily brainwashed by people who hate your Jesus. They hate your gullible guts too. But oh how they pretend! Your money and ignorance are vital. So, I will ask you, like I asked my poor Mom,"Who would Jesus bomb?" What crying child would he blast with a tank after shooting the medics He invited to come save her? Or what hungry masses kill while passing out loaves and fishes?

But they would indeed be morally responsible if they knew it was murderous hood rats they were selling to.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_in_the_war_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80%932021)

according to the Costs of War Project the war killed 176,000 people in Afghanistan: 46,319 civilians, 69,095 military and police and at least 52,893 opposition fighters.

Matthew 15:24

I don't remember the Jews attacking and killing the Germans sporadically, I don't remember demonstrations in the streets by the Jews yelling "Kill the Germans!!!", I don't remember the Jews launching missiles into Berlin sporadically.

I don’t think about it or get worked up anymore, because you can’t believe a thing you read or hear.
The internet has allowed hysteria to rule the day.

Used to be you could only believe what you see with your own eyes, now that too is suspect. I’ve tuned out, there is no point being played when you can’t tell if you’re being played.

12344mag: You said what I was going to say. Saved me the trouble, thanks

"That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise." - Ephesians 2

Paul was saying that there was a time in the past (before Christ) when an uncircumcised person was not an inheritor of the promise, i.e., aliens (non-members) of Israel but, in Christ, that is no longer the case, because in Christ circumcision of the flesh becomes meaningless.

With Christ, what matters is circumcision of the heart, which is attained through faith. In fact, the original value of circumcision of the flesh wasn't in the cutting of the flesh anyway. Its value was as a symbol of faith. Circumcision without faith was worthless, but faith without circumcision of the flesh is 100% sufficient for membership in the commonwealth of Israel.

Furthermore, the Ephesians quote above makes clear that only those who believe in Christ are in any real sense part of Israel, i.e., being without Christ makes one a non-member of Israel.

"The lost sheep of the house of Israel" in Matthew 15:24, therefore, refers to all who were outside of Israel (i.e., all who rejected Christ), whether descended from Abraham or not. That's what made them lost. He sought to bring them in, which could only be accomplished by faith in him.

Organized international Jewry fully embraced the principles laid out in Theodore N. Kaufman's 1941 book titled Germany Must Perish.

My my

But you reject Paul, don't you?

Pretty much spot on evaluation of Ephesians 2.

I am curious just how many of the more vocal members on this topic have actually been to the Middle East and seen how things are done and how they act and handle things. My bet is not one of the loudest members have been there but here you are squawking like you know what the hell is going on.

I have been to Israel, Egypt, Djibouti, Jordan, Turkey, Lebanon, Syria, the UAE, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Oman, Qatar, Kuwait, Iraq and maybe a few more that escape me. The entire Middle East is a tinder box and is always right on the verge of exploding and that is not the fault of Israel but rather the Muslim nations who have been fighting among themselves for well over 1000 years. If any of you "geniuses" ever look at a map you will see that Israel is surrounded by enemies and they do have the distinction of being attacked by multiple nations at the same time in 1967 when they stood alone and had to fight it out. Israel knows that showing one moment of weakness would be devastating because the wolves are always at their door and not one of you cowards have ever had to live like that.

Of course, he corrupted Jesus' teachings and the Jerusalem church also rejected him. And by his statement in a letter to Timothy he stated that all the Christians in Asia Minor rejected him. That only left the fake Christianity in Rome to adopt and elevate his doctrine which served to combine the church and state whereupon it became a dangerous enemy to Christianity.

I'm sorry, but nominal Christianity left Jesus behind centuries ago. Any Christianity that denies or annuls the original covenant with the Jewish people is fake. Of that I am sure.

Thanks. Furthermore, vis a vis Christ's statement that he came only for the lost sheep of Israel, notice that as soon as the woman (being someone not recognized as a member of Israel) made a statement of her faith in Jesus, he accepted her fully. It was by faith that she became a member of the commonwealth of Israel (therefore Jesus had been sent for her, too), which is the only way anyone does become a member.

"Whack 'em and stack 'em"- - - - - -make the next wolf that attacks climb over a pile of his dead buddies. That tactic won't make the wolves quit attacking, but it does make the next one an easier target.

I rest my case.

You left out the context. Paul was rejected by the original Christian church. All over the middle-east. He was discovered as an agent of the enemies of the newly formed Christianity. He barely escaped with his life and then only under protection of the Roman Army. They had to put him in the witness protection program of the day.

Your travel log is impressive. Your intellectual acuity is abysmal. First off Israel = stolen Palestine. Understand? Jews are brutal occupiers over half the population, the only ones with historic ties to the the land. You clearly are not a "genius" or you would be aware of the only maps that matter, the diminishing country of Palestine stolen by Ashkenazi Jews who aren't even a Semitic people.

There is such a thing as a converted Jew. They accept but do not seek out converts.

My my.

“For he (Paul) is a chosen instrument of mine to carry my name before the Gentiles and kings and the children of Israel.” - Jesus

You might want to look into the civil war in Germany right after WW1 and see who was trying to impose communism on the German people lol. You zogbots are a disgrace.

Such a thing as a phony Christian too. Someone who approves of genocide of innocent helpless people is one shameful example.

Precisely. The Jews had actually taken over Bavaria (with the aid of the Soviets), by force of arms, in the post WWI period, and were marching in the streets putting fear in the hearts of the German people (acting very much like our own Antifa, and demanding a Bolshevik style Communist revolution throughout Germany) in other areas. The police were unwilling or unable to do anything about this (Sound familiar?).

This is why the Brown Shirts became so popular in Germany. They would confront Antifa in the streets, since the police would not, and eventually drove them underground. This caused the National Socialists to become so popular in Germany that they started winning elections, leading to their eventual rise to national power.

"But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God." - Romans 2:29

In the above sense of the word Jew, one must be a Christian to be a Jew.

After the Crucifixion, the word came to be used only to refer to a Jew who rejected Christ, whereas those who did not were simply referred to as Christians.

Did the gun companies loan the hoodrats the money to buy the guns so they could shoot each other?

Logic is not strong around here.

You didn’t listen to Hitler’s speeches. He blamed the Jews for millions of needless German deaths in WW I and he blamed them for starting WW II.

But once again, I would like for you to tell me under what circumstances it’s okay to kill babies of certwin ethnic groups.

Generally speaking, the conditions and circumstances are eerily similar between pre-WW2 Germany and the western Nations of today, perhaps not just the western Nations, but may also include Europe and much of the World.

I have been wondering who the dumbest SOB on this site is, congratulations you win the title.

Iirc it was the Emperor Tiberius who renamed Judea (aka Israel) after the second Jewish revolt around 130AD. He called it Palestina as his retribution for the Jewish uprising. It seems that everyone who is applying the “logic” that Israel never existed until the 20th century has never read the Bible and never studied history in even a superficial way.

I understand the emotions that are injected into these discussions but I don’t understand the total ignorance that’s injected into them. To deny that Israel and Israelis didn’t exist as a state until the 20th century requires one to ignore history, deny the truth and pull bullshit out of their ass to support their make-believe stories.

The religion of peace aka Islam is a new invention when compared to the Jewish and Christian religions. That FACT is too often ignored by the supporters of the Islamic scum. There’s so much revisionist bullshit when this issue is discussed and far too much ignorance which requires the listener to suspend truth, facts, history and reality in order to arrive at the conclusion that Israel is the new kid on the block and the raghead goatfuckers are peaceful people who are simply misunderstood. The goatfuckers are the victims and anyone who doesn’t buy into that is a Jew-lover. I try to not get too involved in these discussions because with the amount of ignorance that prevails in them one walk away from them realizing that even reasonably intelligent people can be retards!

I only care about this most recent war in Gaza insofar as I DON’T want American taxpayers footing the bill for every war in every far flung corner of of every sh.it hole around the world!

It’s troubling to see the number of radical Islamic supporters here. I get a good laugh out of the feigned indignation of those who support radical Islam from the comfort of their recliner. They’re so concerned about their brothers and sisters in Gaza and they aren’t afraid to express their feelings with harshly worded replies….the grand total of their massive support is only evident when you tally their post count on the subject. 😂 It’s really simple…..there was a ceasefire up and until the goatfuckers broke it on October 7. Everyone has the right to self defense and Israel is exercising that right, don’t like it?…toofuckingbad, go to Gaza and join the Muslim brotherhood, I’m sure they’ll welcome you with their open arms of civility. 😂

The Romans referred to it by the name that land had always possessed, i.e., Palestine. The ancient Greeks referred to it as such as early as 550 BC, as recorded in the writings of Herodotus, the ancient Greek historian who wrote during that time period.

What a pathetic obfuscation of everything. Absurd fantasy to cover terrible crimes. What is most disgusting is the callous disregard of genocide as well as horrific crimes and atrocities against humanity no civilized person could ever excuse.

If ur buddies hadn’t invaded Israel things would be hunky dory

Why are you mad at me? I'm not the one that made you retarded!

I’m not the one that made you a sand Nigkra luvr get fuqkd 🖕

OK, Mahmoud Abbas.

Some worthy entrants. Definite contender.

And Zyklon B was just used to keep camp conditions hygienic.

I hope you don't have any women that count on you.

It was the most commonly used pesticide for the control of lice at that time. You couldn't just open up the cans and pour them down hatches. They needed special equipment to release the pesticide from the the little pebbles with high heat and fans. The stories are total BS. Idiotic on their face to anyone willing to even scratch the surface.

Ok Hermann.

DNA science proves that the “ ” in Israel and around the world are predominantly of Khazar stock. They are mainly a Turkish-Mongol blood mixture, says Dr. Schlomo Sand, a distinguished history professor from Tel Aviv University in Israel.

Sand’s heavily documented book is turning the Jewish world upside down.
One amazing fact is that the “Jews” who went to Israel from Europe in 1948 and set up the new nation have no history as a people of Israel. Instead, their ancestors were converts to Judaism. So those today who say they are “Jews” are not of Abraham. However, the Palestinians—mostly Moslem—are of Abraham!


in 2001, Dr. Ariella Oppenheim, of Hebrew University, a biologist, published the first extensive study of DNA and the origin of the Jews. Her research found that virtually all the Jews came from Khazar blood. Not only that but Oppenheim discovered that the Palestinians—the very people whom the Jews had been persecuting and ejecting from Israel’s land since 1948—had more Israelite blood than did the Jews. In sum, the vast majority of the Jews were not Jews; some of the Palestinians were. Some of the Palestinians even had a DNA chromosome which established that they were “Cohens”—workers at the ancient Temple and synagogues of the Jews.

Now you've gone and done it! Here's a bit more from Dr Sand
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/10/shlomo-sand-i-wish-to-cease-considering-myself-a-jew

To be clear, i am not a supporter of islam. Not a middle east supporter. Have stated numerous times. I also dont fall over myself to worship israel like some of you. Many in the middle east are bad. Israel isnt different. There is good people there and bad people. The dickheaf netty boy who is running the shoe is BAD! Saying that doesnt make one a supporter of any of the piles of chit that inhabit the middle east. My entire point was israel is killinh innocent women and children, just like the muslim terrorists. Fugg both sides. Dont understand why saying that triggers ome of you so bad. Its like talking to a leftist lol

It is a bit odd that the Lord did not give this instruction to the real apostles appointed by Jesus. They of all people should have been told. If they had maybe they wouldn't have turned against him as did every Christian from Jerusalem to all of Asia Minor (now mostly Turkey) which was basically all of Christianity of the time.

I might be wrong to suspect Paul but if something doesn't make sense it is generally because it isn't true or information is lacking. Legend has it that Paul's Roman protectors aged out or were replaced and crazy Nero killed him. But in truth there is no real record.

If there was any credence to your position, you shouldn’t have to intentionally misrepresent the truth like you do to state your case. The only Christians who opposed Paul were the Judaizers who demanded Torah observance for all members of Jesus’ new movement (including Gentile followers of Jesus).

Uh oh, that should shake-up the Western zionist death cult.

But it won't...

And that was all the Jews of "Palestine" Israel and Paul himself in a written letter to Timothy said that ALL in Asia Minor had turned against him. At that time that would have been every Christian church except in Rome and of those we don't know where they stood.

Paul was not accepted by the early Christians. They were getting ready to take stern measures against him. His sponsors, the collaborationist Jewish hierarchy and the Roman Army got the hell out of Dodge with Paul and put him on a ship. There is not a word from Paul' protectors or his Christian detractors that indicates Paul had any support from one person in the early Christian churches.

That ambiguous sentence in 2nd Peter was certainly a forgery as was the whole of 2nd Peter.

Antlers: if it makes any difference to you, you can quit answering. Anything I say on the subject is not directed to you and I have no expectation of reaching you.

From what we’ve all seen here in these types of threads over the years where you’ve been posting your made-up Hebrew Roots Movement psychobabble, you haven’t reached anybody.

Every part of the New Testament that he cannot twist towards a Judaizing slant he rejects as fake or false.

My poor Mom got hood winked by 'Jews for Jesus.' She had Dick Cheney on her fridge and a map showing where Christians are persecuted around the world. I had to point out to her that Israel/Palestine wasn't marked for some strange reason. I then explained to her the reason. Her trip to the Holy Land with Pop began to be seen from a different perspective. Not all Bible thumpers are hopeless.

It is amazing that you fell for that propaganda so quickly.

There is a Box Car with you name on it... just awaiting.

The Thirteenth Tribe by Arthur Koestler
The Wandering Who by Gilad Atzmon

So much for that fable.

"Anywhere People Are Less Stupid?" Can't find your way home?

yea because the first sentence of the post says I'm all in

I'm more worried about the people on here who'd happily be putting the people in the box cars

LOL...

Very true sometimes...

And whom might those people be?

I'd start with people who have poor reading comprehension

So... people with poor reading comprehension... will be putting other people in box cars?

Is that what you are saying?

there would another caveat, people that go from condition 1 to condition 2 on Fed Ex drivers

Condition 1... to Condition 2

Now THAT is damn funny...

I had no idea... you were a gun guru as well...

that's kind of the point I've been trying to make

Then why even post up a bunch of Propaganda from a bunch of nit-whit wannabe Nazis?

We never know the ships a lighthouse has saved, or the vehicles saved by a bridge out sign. Likewise we don't know who is reading and reexamining or examining for the first time.

You just don't know. For the dozen vociferous defenders of Paul's new doctrine there may be a hundred quietly to themselves saying "hey, wait a minute".

No less a scholar than President Thomas Jefferson figured Paul out and threw him in the trash for "corrupting the doctrine of Jesus".

Reading comprehension. It’s a thing. And not a single person…not one…who professes to hold Christian beliefs ~ in all of these years on all of these kinda threads ~ has agreed with you on your made-up Hebrew Roots Movement psychobabble.

On achievement tests in the various schools I attended my reading comprehension scores were at least in the 98th percentile. I can read and comprehend. I comprehend what Paul says. That is, if he really wrote all that stuff attributed to him. Which I doubt.

You twist scripture to suit you and your chosen already established Judaizer position. Period. And if you’re unable to refute what is clearly written by your intentional twisting of it, then you simply disregard it. Period. You even do that with direct quotes of Jesus Himself.

Oh well, you and I can take comfort in the fact that neither of us has to answer for the other.

"But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed."

Galatians 1:8 (Words of Paul)

Meanwhile, back at the border with the bloody flour trucks, the Zionists are wondering if they really can drive 2 million homeless people, they haven't killed yet, into the Sinai desert to be forgotten. Egypt got $10 Billion from US ( yes us) to build the concentration camp. And the babies are starving to death and the mothers mourn. And Hastings quotes scripture affirming the righteousness of genocide - when the Jews do it. Back to your regularly scheduled blather.....

That is the doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church, the LDS Mormon church, the Jehovah Witnesses, Jimmy Swaggart, the 6 to 10 Baptist cults in Appalachia, the Calvinist branch of the Presbyterians, the various Pentecostals, and I could keep on until I wore out my keyboard.

My take is that whatever country you want to mention, should take care of their own citizen's first. Be it Israel, Palestine, USA,etc. Us sending money to any of them to support their agenda is insane. I feel the same towards them as I do about the person standing at the intersection begging. miles

This has been an educational thread.

I have learned that when you defend yourself from the attacks of those who would like to commit genocide upon you, you yourself become guilty of genocide.

I'd never have known.

It refers to those would would cut out parts of the New Testament (i.e., parts of delivered doctrine) that don't fit in with their peculiar personal doctrine.

Can an invader and conqueror really be termed the defender when those he invaded and conquered are fighting to regain their land and independence?

Liberals have been doing that to conservatives for a hell of a long time now. They do something bad and then they blame it on the other side….there are obviously several people that are slow on the uptake or they are simply incapable of understanding the tactics.

If I get attacked and they kill people I love and I respond you can be damn sure that I don’t GAF what the peanut gallery says, I’ll damn sure continue to work to eliminate the threat THEY POSE!

Genocide is thrown around by the weak minded that are lapping up the propaganda spewed by the Islamic radicals.

You're trying to steer me into an argument that won't ever be resolved, and I won't have it.

I guess maybe I should recognize that Israel is the bloodthirsty aggressor they are just based on the history of beheadings, their jihads, and their history of empire building and unprovoked attacks against their neighbors. But worst of all, their self defense from those who would commit genocide against them is indeed necessarily genocidal. Were they a civilized nation they'd allow the Arab world to annihilate them.

I have no idea how any Christian can support what is happening in Palestine today.

I also have no idea how any Christian can support what the so-called Jews are doing there, not just there but elsewhere. Knowing that they don't accept Jesus and will likely turn their attention toward the pesky Christians who will see and point out the Jewish Messiah is Satan in the flesh.

I do not believe the Israel of the Bible is the bricks and mortar Israel of today.

If one cannot see that unfolding before your eyes then no amount of dialogue will help you to see.

That isn't support for Hama's, Islam etc....., but I think Christianity (generally) is getting an awakening.

Do you think a country cannot respond to an attack?

Big statement...

Sure they do. Are we sure the attack happened the way it is told?....Is the response justified?
Did this "flour massacre" happen the way some say? As a Christian, I don't believe one word the Jews say, and I am not sure they are even Jews.

Christian doesn't believe what jews say...amazing.

[quote]I have no idea how any Christian can support what is happening in Palestine today./quote]
As I recall before WWI, there was no nation of Israel, Nor a Nation of Palestine. The powers that won the war created them. Historically, people of Israel existed. Palestinians did not. They are just Arabs. Palestinians are just like our border jumpers, wanting to profit from others work. miles

I would like that explained.

Correct.
I did edit my post to add..........I dont even know if they are Jews.

How would you phrase it now?

Jcubed, like this.

You have a big blank spot in your knowledge of history, and it's right where those who control popular knowledge of history have decided to leave there for you.

You realize Jesus was a Jew?

You realize I am referring to the contemporary Jew right?

Maybe he took John 8:44 to heart.

Speaking to the Jews who would not accept that he was of the Father (just like all Jews today, and certainly those in control of the modern state of Israel), Jesus said to them:

"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

Lol.

Have you thought this through?

Again, you try to steer me off onto a tangent for an argument in which I'm not willing to engage you.

I guess maybe I should recognize that Israel is the bloodthirsty aggressor they are just based on the history of beheadings, their jihads, and their history of empire building and unprovoked attacks against their neighbors. But worst of all, their self defense from those who would commit genocide against them is indeed necessarily genocidal. Were they a civilized nation they'd allow the Arab world to annihilate them.

Go on..

Was he a Christ denying Jew? Did he applaud the Crucifixion?

So you feel justified in executing God's judgement against Israel and the Jews.

I don't believe that will fly.

[quote]I would like that explained.
/quote]
What part of English do you not understand? miles

I dont know what went through Christ's head as he was murdered.

In a nutshell, you are sketchy to begin with.
Believing the propaganda spewed today by any side, method, they choose is a no go here bub.

That statement is going to need explanation.

I don't think so.

I'm sketchy?

Good way to deflect.

Don't be coy Jcubed, that makes you seem sketchy, not trying to deflect, but rather find coy a wall to any dialogue.

Deflect

Whatever you say Toot lol.

Not much high ground to plant ones feet..

If you inferences are as bad your history...well done.

This is what one person lying looks and sounds like, or if you like its two people lying, you decide.

Easy. He's full of [bleep]!

“It's easier to fool a man than to convince him that he's been fooled.”

― Mark Twain

You do realize that Jesus' disciples were Jews as far as we know? The crowds that welcomed Jesus into Jerusalem were Jews? The earliest Christians were Jews? You do realize that true Christianity is a sect of Judaism that acknowledges the teachings of Jesus?

There were those of the Jewish hierarchy that conspired to have Jesus murdered and in true Catholic fashion laid it off on the civil government. Those Jews and their Roman allies suppressed Jesus' supporters and crucified an innocent man for the false charge of sedition.

There are plenty of Jews today that acknowledge that Jesus was who he claimed to be.

This so true. Think about what you have written.

I used to listen to The Christian Jew hour.

Would Neil Diamond sing about Brother Love's Travailing Salvation Show if\ he were not Chistian.

Christ's condemnations towards Jews were restricted to those of them who denied his messiahship. He considered them uniquely culpable, since they had the Scriptures pointing to him.

That's not an argument. Try again.

True Christianity has zero to do with ancient (true) Judaism, which hasn’t been practiced since August 6th in 70 AD when it came to a swift end and went completely out of business just as Jesus said it would.

Thank you.

x2

There is no longer any legitimate practice of the religion of the Temple, which did indeed come to a permanent end. What persisted was the religion perpetuated by the rabbis, which amounted to precisely that offshoot of Judaism that Christ condemned as the blind leading the blind.

Check out Isaiah 66. Read the whole thing 2 or 3 times and realize it tells how Israel will be reborn in a day and the whole world will pay homage to the Jewish nation in physical Israel in physical Jerusalem to actual Jews.

Moses prophesied the same thing.

It is pretty easy to see that is the direction all the recent events are headed.

Doesn’t matter how much you hate Jews.

How ridiculous! I hate what organized Jewry does. If I hated Jews, I'd never suggest to one that they needed Christ. I'd merely rub my hands together anticipating their ultimate state.

The last chapter of Isiah must be interpreted in the light of the New Testament.

Works both ways. The documentation of its use in the holocaust is there; you choose to ignore it.


“Two German firms, Tesch/Stabenow and Degesch, produced Cyclone B gas after they acquired the patent from Farben. Tesch supplied two tons a month, and Degesch three quarters of a ton. The firms that produced the gas already had extensive experience in fumigation.

"In short, this industry used very powerful gases to exterminate rodents and insects in enclosed spaces; that it should now have become involved in an operation to kill off Jews by the hundreds of thousands is not mere accident." (Hilberg, Commandant, 567)

After the war the directors of the firms insisted that they had sold their products for fumigation purposes and did not know they were being used on humans. But the prosecutors found letters from Tesch not only offering to supply the gas crystals but also advising how to use the ventilating and heating equipment. Hoess testified that the Tesch directors could not help but know of the use for their product because they sold him enough to annihilate two million people. Two Tesch partners were sentenced to death in 1946 and hanged. The director of Degesch recieved five years in prison.”

If it did happen, it was planned and set up by Hamas. I don't believe anything that makes Hamas look like the victims. They have used innocent women and children as pawns and shields for many decades.

When an enemy attacks without mercy you do what Israel is doing. You fight 'em where you find 'em and you do what the good old USA has always done you kill them no matter who they hide behind.

Has the USA apologized for going all out on Japan and Germany? Did the USA spare their civilians?

I didn't think so.

The government of Gaza could have disowned those attackers and turned them over to Israel. The problem is they wouldn't because it was a Gaza government operation. And everyone knows that.

AK, I've gone to the trouble many times in the past to post materials, original sources, etc., but no one looks, so I'm not repeating it. If you were actually willing to know the truth, you'd do real research, not read what's presented to you by those who wish to deceive you.

Sherman was one of the first modern generals. Take war to civilians.
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Sherman wuz a murderin yanky shoulda been hung

There was a problem getting that done. We lost. I guess when it was all said and done we were lucky they didn't hang a bunch of Confederates. There were those that were pushing for it.

I wonder how many of the folks with inflexible opinions on this general subject have done any independent research just into the comparative body count inflicted consistently in both directions in that theater over the past 5, 10, 20 years, and how that might be impacting current events.

Of course not! They are totally brainwashed. Show them the facts and they show they are worse than that, they are excited and happy to fully support genocide. "Human shields" from 6,000 bombs a week? My God! It is absolutely sickening. Bible thumpers like Hastings are the most despicable.

I myself personally don't give a sh'it about jews, christains, islam, hindus etc...but if you are attacked you have the right to stop it and future attacks. lesson of the day, don't attack other people if you are not prepared for the consequence's...bob

No, not THIS. Most here know where I satnd on the "judenfrage" but to keep harping on the issue the holocause did not happen, is stupidity beyond all logic. I DON"T CARE what happens over there, but my ONLY point is, if what happened on Oct 7th in Israel happened to us here, I would have no problem of turning gaza into a glass plain..

Confirmed. Complete fabrication by Hamas. No surprise.

That's a misstatement of the issue. The problem is that there's an orthodoxy about what happened under the rubric "The Holocaust," which must never be deviated from in the smallest detail or one is labeled an antisemite. This orthodoxy is enforced with a fervor that would put the Spanish Inquisitors to shame, facts to the contrary be damned. That's not how the study of history is supposed to work. It's not the Western way of things, but is more akin to what went on during and following the various communist revolutions.

The Spanish Inquisition was a joke. What something like 300 people over a couple of centuries that were killed. If the Holocaust would have been done by anybody but the GERMANS, you might have a point, but knowing them, they accounted for every death and with meticulous records.. It happened..

Tell me your a papist without telling me your a papist lol

Apparently had the Americans not entered the war of aggression towards the Germans, then there would have been no Jews killed at the German Jew Resorts/Happy Camps.

And also...the Soviets killed a bunch of people over like 50 years so......Soviets.

I don't know what the f uck you are talking about, but whatever...

Tell us you're a snake handler without telling us you're a snake handler haha.

That begs the question.

I subscribe to religion being the opium of the masses. I have no clue what that snake handling s hit means...

No worries, you still retain Emeritus status...

You might be the last of that crowd remaining here at the Fire. I bet you really miss SteveNo et al.

From my perspective, the 10/07/23 attack on Israel is analogous to the 12/07/41 Japanese attack on us.

Israel was attacked, we were attacked.

Israel is bombing cities in a war that they didn't start and enemy civilian are dying. We bombed Japanese cities and killed enemy civilians right up until the Japanese surrendered unconditionally in a war that we didn't start.

The Palestinians are reaping what they've sown just like the Japanese did.

The Egyptians could allow Gazan civilians to cross into the Sinai to keep them safe from Israeli bombs and artillery, but they have chosen not to.

Everywhere they go they cause serious problems for their host country. Kuwait kicked them out, Lebanon kicked them out, Jordan expelled a bunch after they attempted a coup, Egypt won't have them. Syria's Assad backed Hamas and then they double crossed him.

Those people are a problem. It seems they want to take over a place and kill their hosts. Every time.

interesting analogy but ironically, Israel's creation due to WWII.

Imagine Japan's resolution had we pushed them into a corner of their nation and limited their access to Tokyo, and everyone just says they start everything

of course Jews have no history of being expelled from host countries

I guess you have a point but the reasons are different.

The Jews incur a lot of jealousy as does any successful distinct minority. That same thing has happened to East Indians in Africa and ethnic Chinese in Malaysia and Indonesia. It is hard to see an outsider smarter and more industrious succeeding where you fail.

It has happened on our sea coasts where the Vietnamese have moved in and taken over commercial fishing. Causes a lot of angst among the natives.

The Jews have a history of succeeding in finance and as middlemen brokers in a variety of endeavors. It is easy to hate someone different from you if he holds the mortgage and can evict you or cut off your credit.

you gotta be doing something to be specifically mentioned in the foundation of modern law (magna carta)

The British promised the Jews a homeland in Palestine via the Balfour Declaration of 11/02/1917.


The British promised the Arab subjects of the Ottoman Empire the right of self-determination if they would rise up and help the British fight the Ottomans in the Middle East during WW1, but they were vague promises that gave the British a great deal of flexibility in how they chose to interpret those promises. The correspondence between British LTC Sir Henry McMahon and Hussein bin Ali, Sharif of Mecca, gave vague promises to the Arabs that where in direct conflict to the Sykes-Picot Agreement between British and France on 01/03/1916 which outlined how they would divide the Ottoman Empire once it was defeated.


When the League of Nations gave the British mandate authority, that gave them the authority to divide Palestine into two independent states, one Arab and one Jewish. How they chose to do so, or not do so, led to the on-going conflict. They had Solomon like power to divide Palestine, but not Solomon like wisdom to just do it and get it over with.


When the Allies defeated Japan in 1945 the Supreme Commander, General of the Army Douglas McArthur, had Solomon like power to force dramatic changes into Japanese society, but that is, at least from my POV, very significantly different from the conflicting promises that the British made to the Arabs and the Jews to get their support during WW1.


The Israelis accepted the partition of Palestine that was outlined via UN Resolution 181 in 1947, but the Arabs rejected it. The Arabs are still rejecting Israel and probably will forever. Maybe the British should have given the Jews one of their African colonies, maybe Kenya or Uganda.


The Gazans can have a cease fire just as soon as they release the Israeli hostages. They are lucky that the Israelis aren't willing to write off the hostages and just bomb Gaza flat. Israel has thermobaric bombs that could destroy everything that Hamas has in Gaza. No matter how bad things are for the Gazans today, the employment of thermobaric bombs would make things much worse, much more death and much more destruction.

You're so ignorant on every topic you try to use to excuse barbaric behavior, out of all proportion to Oct.7. The wanton slaughter of unarmed civilians in continuous, indiscriminate bombing and shelling is genocide, not war. The ICJ confirmed it and demanded Israel stop. What is particularly disgusting in attitudes you espouse isn't the gross ignorance itself. It is the blood lust, the joyful glee you cold hearted bastards celebrate when 37,000 innocent and helpless human beings are savagely murdered - with US weapons, money and political cover. It is a heinous crime and you are a vile idiot for cheering it on.

Has the ICJ made any demands on the Gazans? Maybe turn over the attackers or kill them? Maybe give up those hostages? Maybe turn over anyone who has mistreated the hostages they brutally kidnapped?

I haven't heard anything about it if they have, but I don't keep up with that feckless organization.

Do certain things not smell right to others ~ like how or why those who flat out detest Jesus can ‘still’ be divinely cherished…?

Or is the truth of the matter that ALL who follow Jesus are “God’s chosen people”…?

I don't believe there are many at all that detest Jesus. Many even in religions that have not much relation to Judaism revere Jesus and his teachings. It is the "Christians" that a lot of folks worldwide are leery off. Christianity of the organized variety has a very bad history of bloody war and even murderous within the different factions in its own ranks.

Right now the USA which claims to be majority Christian is making war on Russia a nation that claims to be Christian in defense of a nation that has reportedly outlawed at least some of the Christians inside its borders.

Jews that I know don't detest Jesus and some accept that what he claimed was true.

yea, they sound lucky

Lol, right? I like how the idf just killed 3 hostages that they were supposed to be saving. Video shows them begging the idf and telling them to save them and boom, gun fire. All dead

I cannot imagine a person more deceived.

Don't know about "et al" but as to Steve, yes.

So the Fire had you pegged right.

With our gross stupidity and blasphemous version of Christianity, your cold cruelty is still astounding.

I grew up around a circle of men who fought against the Japanese during WW2. All of them hated the Japanese and none of them felt the least bit of sympathy for any of them. They felt, as I do, that the role of the military in time of war is to close with and destroy our enemies and make their suffering so bad that they will surrender.

I believe that one of the most important roles of a central government is to provide for the common defense. Israel was attacked on 10/07/23 by Hamas, the elected central government of Gaza. Israeli citizens were killed and hundreds were taken back into Gaza by the invaders as hostages. Who are you to decide for the Israelis what is or isn't an appropriate response?

My philosophy on war is to do whatever is necessary to destroy your enemy's ability to make war against you and to make it so painful for them that the vivid memory of the pain/death/destruction they have experienced will give them incentive to find a way to live in peace with you. If you feel that killing 1,000 of the enemy for each casualty that you incur is the right level of response, that is fine with me. If that number is 10,000 or even 100,000, that is fine with me too. Hamas either thought that Israel's response would be tempered by World opinion or they would use overwhelming force, kill thousands of civilians, and those death would be viewed by the greater Muslim world as martyrs that would rally the faithful to attack and destroy Israel. Time will tell, but how ever it turns out, neither you nor I will have any influence on the outcome.

War is hell and civilians casualties are an easily foreseeable byproduct of every war, particularly so when a militarily/politically inferior attacks a militarily/politically superior. Inshallah.

PS - when it comes to war, I am a cold hearted bastard who will do everything within my power to protect my people and everything within my power to destroy my enemy and his ability to make war against me. IOW, I am exactly the kind of leader who you would want if your child was a combatant.

You also don’t “believe” in the divinity of Jesus. And you “believe” that you can ‘earn’ your salvation by doing good works, and by cherry-picking an extremely tiny fraction out of the 613 different rules in the Law of Moses that ‘you’ choose to live by and call it good (like not eatin’ frog legs and observing the sabbath).
But they do not see Him as the savior of the world, nor do they believe in His sacrificial death as the sole atonement for their sins, nor do they believe in His resurrection, nor do they believe in His divinity. A lotta folks worldwide throughout history clearly are, and have been, leery of Jews too; but you attribute that to folks being “jealous” of them.The history of the Jews in the old testament clearly describes the Jews as being murderous to the degree that they make the Einsatzgruppen look like choirboys, even genocidal towards their own people.Since you don’t “believe” in the divinity of Jesus, and since you “believe” that ‘you’ can ‘earn’ your salvation as described above, then it doesn’t surprise anyone here that you “believe” the actions of the U.S. government or the Russian government has something…anything…to do with Christianity.You ‘profess’ to accept what Jesus claimed was true, but only if it’s in alignment with ‘your’ theology. When Jesus clearly says something that’s not in alignment with ‘your’ theology, you intentionally twist what He said so it’ll line up with your Hebrew Roots Movement psychobabble; and when you’re unable to do that, you simply disregard what Jesus said.

Judge not that you be not judged.

When you watch the videos the Moslem attackers themselves made of their attacks on civilians including helpless women and babies come back and tell us about cold cruelty.

Israel has no choice in the matter. If they are to survive these enemies must be destroyed. There is no other way.

I don’t know where you live but I would bet that somewhere down the line some rightful owner was pushed off of it. In the case at hand at least the Jews have a claim to their land.

How would you settle the Jewish question?

Israel has about 1/30th our population.

If Mexico came across the border and murdered 30,000 Americans at a Taylor Swift concert they would be very lucky if we didn't glass several major cities.

I wish you guys would start standardizing what causes this outrage.

Remember Assad's "chemical weapons" attacks?

what's wrong with that?...bob

Coming from you…the biggest “judge” of Christians and Christianity and Christian beliefs on this entire board…that’s hypocritical to the Nth degree.

Is this a serious question or just a poor shot at trolling?

The real world is not scripted by Hollywood. There operations are risky and there's no guaranteed happy endings.

Watch the video before making dumb comments

Hamas is pure evil. If Hamas and the other terrorist factions were gone, and Gazan's chose to integrate, in 5 years The Strip would be a relatively prosperous place.

Well...you could try butting out and letting them handle their own shit...and that includes finances.

Im fine with that. Israel and hamas go toe to toe. Let them handle their own chit. As Jstuart states above, we give ZERO dollars. weapons or people. Let Israel take care of their own problems

Its war.....not saying its good not saying its bad, it is what it is....personally I feel if you have been attacked , all bets off. ...bob

that would be a great start...bob

Bullshit. I have no jews near me and I can still recognise that a part of their clique harbour ill intent.


I had this crap when I was a lad with fucking stupid nuns expounding on the jew's perfect special status.

And before anyone bitches at me, the bloody jews couldn't survive without idiot christian nations spoon feeding them funds.

Screw them...let them stand on their own damned feet for a change.

Now that is a good idea. Let the Jews in Israel handle the fighting and the Jews of the diaspora can finance it.

And leave the rest of us out of it.

I agree

Are you inferring that hamas killed 30,000 jews? Your comparison doesnt make any sense.

How many illegals have killed Americans either by murder or drunk driving? How many Americans has the cartel killed? What has the US Gov done about it?

No Antlers, I don’t judge you or anyone else. I don’t have enough information for that. I just say what I get from my research and I will freely admit I could be wrong about some things. It is just that I find some things that don’t make sense when compared to Jesus, John the Baptist and the OT prophets. And I cannot reconcile mainstream “Christianity “ with the simple teachings of Jesus.

You may be completely right in your beliefs. I don’t know. But for me Pauline doctrine doesn’t mesh with that of Jesus.

There is no fault to be found in a man thinking for himself.

I can respect that.

Read the whole post in context and use both of your brain cells.

Illuminating.

They could certainly well afford it, but they need their billions to control our elected officials and our permanent government.

Apparently extrapolating percentages is beyond some.

Lost a bit of covfee.......

Good on you then! Palestinians have been mercilessly attacked for 75 years. October 7 they fought back. Hamas is winning. The genocide of 30,000 innocents is abomination before the Lord. The world has turned against the Jews. But Jews still control America and willing to sacrifice us all for their evil Jewish state.

BBC uses account of journalist working for Iran-backed news agency in Palestine deaths article

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...-in-palestine-deaths-article/ar-BB1jjYTF

Danny Cohen, the former director of BBC Television, accused the corporation of “failing in the most basic of journalistic practices” by not checking one of its key sources.

Writing in The Telegraph, he said: “The BBC has a habit of accepting at face value what they are told by people who present as Palestinian civilians or officials from civic authorities and either don’t understand or don’t care that they are representatives of terrorist organisations.



Lots more in the actual article, but that's basically it. It was all a lie.

The thread title had me thinking it was about LBP, a really fat chick, and a twenty pound bag of Gold Medal.

Ohh I gotcha now. Still a stupid comparison given that we know what the US gov has done regarding illegals and the murdering of US citizens in their own country.

You're not worth the electrons.

KOTY eligible right there!

More likely muslim.

Why do you put jewish lives on the other side of the planet ahead of American citizens lives?

My God! Read the history, man! It's heavily suppressed, but still available to those with enough interest.

LOL

Lol

Jesus’ teachings about putting new wine into old wineskins is pretty simple, and clear. And Jesus’ teachings about sewing a new patch onto old torn cloth is pretty simple, and clear. And Jesus’ teachings about His New Covenant…the very one prophesied by Jeremiah in the Hebrew Bible…is pretty simple, and clear.

Zionist Jews are killing innocent children of God by the thousands. Starving children to death is against His will. Genocide is a most heinous crime against humanity. And the US of A is totally responsible for letting it all continue. This isn't war. It isn't retaliation for a totally justified and necessary raid to break the Zionist stranglehold on a persecuted people. It is indiscriminate, untargeted, collective punishment on helpless civilians. It is intentional slaughter of helpless prisoners in the world's largest concentration camp. It is pure evil!

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Maybe so. But the return of the Jewish people to their land after an almost 2000 year exile, their domination of world finance, and becoming a military super power within 75 years is the clearest and simplest vindication and ratification of the truth of the Jewish Covenant and the prophets from Moses to Jesus.

I would like to refer you to Deuteronomy 30. Take a look at the first 10 verses.

I sincerely hope that the Israelis keep fighting this war in the way that they currently are until all of their hostages are released. Civilians die in times of war, always have, always will. Hamas could get a ceasefire tomorrow if they would commit to release the hostages.

Why hasn't Egypt, a Muslim country, allowed the Gazan civilians who want to leave cross their border into the Sinai do so? If Gaza is a concentration camp, it is because Egypt is keeping the gates locked. You can't expect the Israelis to open the gates into their country after the attack of 10/07/2023.

If Egypt opened their gates, how many fewer civilians lives would be lost?

Israel accepted the partition of Palestine outlined under UN resolution 181, the Arabs didn't.

The US fire bombed and nuked Japanese cities in 1945 in an effort convince the Japanese that continuing to fight the war that they started was only going to get worse for them. The Japanese finally acknowledged that they were defeated. If Hamas releases the hostages, admits defeat, and complies with whatever demands the Israelis put forward, the war will end. The ball, as they say, is in their court.

The ultimate fulfillment of the Abrahamic Covenant…the unilateral and unconditional and everlasting covenant that applies to ALL of Jesus’ followers…comes in Jesus Himself.

Keeping the Palestinians poor, uneducated, and angry puts a lot of pressure on the Israelis. And provides a steady stream of people desparate enough to act as martyrs.

The Muslims were shrewd and strategic when they decided to manipulate the Palestinians.

Whew, I wish!! 😉

A dead muslim is a dead muslim, one less to make the world a little safer, one less to bother my children in the future.

But you are fine with Jews doing it constantly? Muslims do not run AIPAC that strangles your government. Madeline Albright was not Muslim. Victoria Nuland is not Muslim. Neocons are Jews. They all have happily killed millions and harmed your fellow Americans in many ways. Their wars for Israel and the debt it incurred Surely you’ve heard?

That would give them a real decision to make. I wonder which one they would choose.

They can easily require our government to send them billions, extracted through inflation and taxation from American citizens, and keep their own billions for themselves.

What about the muslum position towards anyone nonmuslum? What a BS fundamental to live by. The pink elephant in the room is not only trumpeting, it is cutting flips.