I used a 4 MOA rifle for many years in the Northern Minnesota woods. My first deer rifle, a 98K Mauser BCD with it's original 8mm barrel. The lead looks like a sewer pipe from corrosive ammo I guess. Redfield peep site. My mentor growing up told me if I could keep a shoot offhand on a dinner plate at 100 yards I would have no trouble getting deer. He was right. Still have the rifle, and for deep woods hunting I would have no issues using it today even though I have several other rifles that are MOA.