Originally Posted by alpinecrick
Originally Posted by grovey


What crock of schit! Those are some of the best shooters/ smiths in the country, so i'll take there advice all day long over someone with a $20 Lee die set. Hopefully the newbies DO see it, and understand it's most certainly the best way to size your brass period. Why size your brass 3 to 5 times one way, and then have to FL size to get it to fit RIGHT again? I want uniform everything... everything the same everytime!


What a crock........period.

Neck sizing with a good die will most of the time produce less neck runout than conventional FL sizing dies for our hunting or varmint rifles.

The BR shooters (and most other of the competitive shooters) are using Wilson style dies cut with the same reamer as their custom, lapped, minimum spec chambered barrels.

Do you have barrels and dies that are reamed to minimum specs?

Competition improves the breed, but attempting to mimic some parts of the competitive shooters regime while not doing everything else is like putting a wing on our pickup and expecting to compete in the Indy 500........

I can make as good or better accuracy by making straighter necks by Nk sizing with a LCD or conventional Nk die--no lube, no stretch, no trimming--and make brass last exponentially longer than when FL sizing for my hunting and varmint rifles.

There is a difference between pushing the shoulder back and FL sizing.



So much wrong thinking in that post if accuracy is your goal. Bullshcit on the the most BR shooters using a custom cut Wilson die to size. The reasoning behind that is guys using a custom reamer to shorten or lengthen the body or neck on a proven cartridge in an effort to create a better mouse trap. The Wilson die you referenced is in fact a neck die. What kind of concentricity gauge are you using to measure runout? Most guys who own one will tell you it's collecting dust. Any shooter worth his salt will tell you that as long as your runnout is .003 or less you'll be hard pressed to see it on paper. Those same winning BR shooters are far more likely using Redding bushing dies to size cases, and almost everytime a runout problem is discussed on a BR forum the word bushing is involved.
I've won my fair share of local factory gun BR matches including 6 in a row, and there wasn't a neck die used to do it . Pony up for Forster FL dies and move on. You can even have them hone the neck out to your specs allowing you to work the brass less. I'm done arguing about this though, as I know neck dies will still have that hardheaded following. I'll take the advice of someone who has shot 1,000's of precision rds a yr every yr vs the average Joe who fires 1-200 shots thru his hunting rifles a yr. The best part is we are free to choose whichever we want.