Well Mark, all you've said about them was true on this first trial, muchas gracias. I've been too busy building a new house to put in much trigger time lately but hits were easy and the dotz tracked in both my .280AI and my .223.

"Bend" on the other hand, has been shooting alot and didn't seem to need no stinkin' dotz! blush

Doesn't look like they'll line up with the trajectory of my .257Roy though....