Gary loaded with me and a couple of other guys at the Super Shoot once. We loaded under the same awning for a week and he was rude the entire week. Homer Culver was there at the time and Gary sucked up to Homer like a teeny-bopper around the captain of the football team.

Allan Hall tells of the time he visited Gary's shop and asked to see Gary's operation. Gary refused to show him around which was kinda insulting. It would be like Charlie Sisk coming to see me and I wouldn't let him in my shop. Gary may make a good barrel. I was shooting one of his barrels at that Super Shoot but that was the last one I ever bought. If a customer wanted a Schneider barrel I'd buy one in a heartbeat because I'm here to serve the customer but none for me.