...after the weak "non-apology" for threatening his staff with fines and/or termination if they didn't get jabbed to comply with the unlawful Biden/OSHA mandates? Did he fire his CFO/HR Team? Do his non-jabbed employees have access to their medical benefits? Are they still employed? Did he admit the threatening letter to his employees like the one released last October was a mistake that will never happen again?

I'm hoping for the best answers to all of the above questions, but haven't heard anything since the weak reversal letter was released and rumors about internal "headhunting" taking place because the letter made it out to the shooting public/consumer base. There are plenty of truly leftist anti-american companies I wouldn't give a single penny to, but I would love to support the hard working employees at Hornady again, especially for all the good they do for the shooting and hunting industry/community as a whole. That said, I have a hard time throwing my support (and money) behind a man of weak principles who would treat employees they way he (or his leadership) did. I know I'm not alone and it would a go a long way to recoup some of his lost support if Mr. Hornady provided clarification to last year's mandate debacle.

Anyone have an update?

His business, his ship.

Last I heard was he's a phouc...

Like most of the stupid sheeple that bought in to the scamdemic, they are trying to be invisible right now.


I can promise you I can and will get along just fine without any Hornady products in my personal inventory. I won't consider buying any until he apologizes or the sumbich dies and the next in line at the wheel makes it for him. Regrettably, I still have to purchase one Hornady product line for my agency only because it's specific in our OPM and no one else makes a comparable version of it........yet.

Hornady stuff is overhyped crap anyway, all their "new" cartridges are stolen & modified designs that they glorify to have "invented" & a lot of 'tards buy into the hype then become fkn parrots spreading the shyte thick

they change their own bullet designs slightly then they spread the crap heavily on how they have the most "improved" & advanced bullets on the market, but never mention that they are only talking about improving over their own bullets & no one elses ... You put a fkn non-melty tip on your same ol SST/Interlock & BTHP bullets Jabby Steve, where's the advanced tech ?

Take their super hyped up "new" bullet the CX , all they did was stick a non-melty tip on the GMX, renamed the alloy from gilding metal to copper alloy, a new name for it & now blaspheme (lie) on how it's the most advanced copper bullet ever made, they FORGET to tells us that it's only advanced over their own old shyte, like everything else they make, only better than their own older sh it ....

Sold a bunch of Hornady bullets and gradually selling the rest & getting rid of anything Hornady from my reloading bench and not spending another gilding metal or is it copper ? penny, fu ck that commie Jabby Steve

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Yeah...he still thinks everyone should get the shot...and Jag agrees now.

No won't buy from them again

YOU SERIOUS ???????

As Rome burns Hornady is high on my mind.

Ed, am I sensing a bit of pessimism?

Yes Eddie.

Jam of the month club for everyone who gets the shot.

I'm in.

Maybe SteveH can piggyback along in the DocRocket thread

Nope [bleep] hornady

I think the "DocRocket" thread is going quite well.... by campfire standards anyway...

Steve hornady doesn't watch these threads and do give two schits about what we think unlike his father

Well..Clark that’s the gift that keeps on givin’ the whole year through.

Not his body. Fugk him. I haven't bought a single anything with Hornady on the side since hearing he'd done that.

^^^^^

Unfortunately I have Hornady products but I'd rather not support an (insert your choice of colorful language) person like that Hornady fella. I'm also not overly fond of the folks running Nosler these days either. Maybe the best I could do is to cast for the 35 rem, 375 win, and 45-70 to bypass the bullet part.

personally I'm not going to shoot myself in the foot, to prove a point....

Ignore Hornady's politics.... their products are decent, and are more cost effective than many of their competitors...

Nosler thinks their products are liquid gold of some sort...

Sierra is not far behind them...

Speer is at least being sane about all of this Brandonitis that is hampering the shooting industry....


I was trained in much of this Pandemic crap in the military.... was a 54 Echo in the Army ( NBC Warfare Officer) along with 91Bravo and 91 Charlie MOSs....
what has been going on is a complete political scam, world wide....

the public is finally getting smart enough to see that it doesn't add up, the way we are told.... its been a plandemic... not a pandemic..

People who believe all of this are either idiots or see it as a way to jack up pricing and make a lot of money/profit, over what people are willing to believe...

even Brandon threatening gun confiscation again, just jacks up pricing on anything to do with shooting... this time around they are paying more attention to primers
and that is why there is so much of a shortage..... which however had been accelerated with Remington closing down and going under...

if only the public could keep their heads instead of freaking out over any little piece of BS the government feeds them...

Steve Hornady and is liberal wokeness has pushed me to look at other bullet makers!

Bill Ruger supported the 1994 AW ban and mag ban. He never recanted. The company never apologized. How many here are boycotting Ruger?

THIS.

S&W did this, Ruger did that, Hornady yadayada, I can't keep up with everything these days.

Agree with Seafire [again] hornady makes great bullet at reasonable prices, and, it appears they're the only company making bullets.

But, I don't wear Levi's

There were people here screaming about Ruger and they do wear Levi's...

Quite Well?

Are we still friends?

Smith &Wesson apologized and admitted their error, so I buy their products. They are GTG.

It is not his business to violate an employee's civil rights with the alternative being termination. Going against a person's will and injecting a medical concoction that is at best still going through test trials is coercion if his livelihood is being threatened. Especially in this case with bad outcomes and even deaths documented. What was he thinking?

I have yet to hear of an employer guaranteeing compensation for adverse "vaccine" outcomes.

He probably had some dumb fugk doctor convince him it was all real.

LOL

Bill Ruger is dead and the company went in a totally different direction after his fud azz stepped down anyways. They saw the writing on the wall.

S&W management fugged themselves so hard in their little deal with the devil that they had to sell the place off.

I'd love to see the free market hand stevie hornady a pink slip.

He did it for "insurance" purposes....

Or it's his private company.

Some different kind of "conservatives" here.

Ymmv

Once again, don't confuse libertarianism with conservatism.

Business owner can't run his own company as he sees fit?

But what can conservatives do or not do in this situation?

Guaranteed his ear is guiding "his private business" before his heart and his brain is, if not, he's a phouc either way.

Everyone feeding him except the people actually feeding him, in his eyes.
His business, his ship.

I'd wish him luck if he wasn't a dictator to loyal people and a lackey to people who should go phouc themselves...

Did he punish the employees that outed him?

Any one mandating bullshît poison jabs should be outed, and the info made public so customers can decide whether to spend their money there or not. Whether they have the right to change working conditions mid-stream on employees is another discussion.

There's at least one unionista on here that thinks that's ok, as long as it's a covid jab they are requiring lol.

Yep

Well, it was a half-assed apology, and it still took me years to warm back up to them. But their leadership is in its 2nd generation or better since they were sold and they've taken the company into a new direction. About three years ago, I transition from Glock to S&W about one year after the introduction of the M&P 2.0. I've been happy with it and working on rounding out my carry arsenal with an M&P Compact and one of the Shield flavors.

Steve's mandate had his own interest in mind not his employees rights in mind. Hopefully the ones that felt oppressed moved on to better job's and hornady felt the pain. The fact he would submit to this is his measure of what he is

Maybe Vista can buy them too...

He should have let the company go tits up rather than try to stay running. Then he could have joined up with the purebloods here.

How many of you Steve Hornady, critics have been CEO of a major Company? with all the problems that go with the job?

99% of you have not or do not know how to do payroll, workman's comp, health care, let alone develop new products, maintain existing products,

You know how much any company of any size needs a bunch of critic's that don't know and haven't ever run a company, pissin on their front porch,?? No One. now tell us about all the money you spend on reloading products , Sheeech!! Go back to your couch & key board Covid Cry Baby's. Rio7

It is his company and if it is legal to do so, he can impose any employment requirements that he wants. Not saying that he is right to do so, but he has the right as long as he isn't violating any standing laws.

I suspect that Hornady is one of the better paying companies in the Grand Island, NE, area, so there is probably a pool of people who would agree to whatever the requirements are in order to get hired on at Hornady. Likewise, I'd expect that anybody who works for Hornady would have to think long and hard about what their greater priority is, getting the COVID shot and keeping their job or refusing to get the COVID shot, losing that job, and having to firgure out how they are going to meet their financial obligations. Tough choices.

Toured the plant back in 2017, very impressed and a lot of the work was done by hand. even loading 20 round boxes of xyz ammo. each round looked at individually. I made the comment to the lady giving us 4 the tour (not planned and out of tour hours mind you) that "this is the place to work around here" . Her answer was "You bet".

You should read this article. https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/what-is-the-great-reset/
Being a privately owned company does not mean the government won't make a useful tool out of it, in this case Hornady, and push their agenda through private businesses. It works even better than the government making laws or by executive order as there is no push back at the ballot box.

Me thinks Steve Hornady, made the call he made based on the information he had at that time, trying to protect his people, and family. we didn't hear of his people quitting or going on strike,------------ because you didn't like his management. Rio7

I’m sure that’s what it was.

Mandate = piece of shidt.
Making shots available or even incentivizing them could be argued “protecting his people”

Methinks rio is a retard.

Raferman, And your areal mental Giant, in the third grade. Rio7

have you been reading Bristoe's post?

What a deep thinker.

LOL

Probably made all his workers get vaccinated too.

You COVIDIOTS are really crushing it lately.

LOL

I do all those things.... I even built my own business... My dad didn't build it and give it to me..... and I think Steve Hornady is a fugkin piece of schit for mandating his employee's get the jab.
I have worked for a couple of family owned business's and most of the owners children were entitled pieces of schit.

Reports were that old Steve got angry when an employee let the cat out of the bag about the employees being forced to take the jab!

Yes, his company, but he is a loser for doing so irregardless!

He’s a shît eating commie bootlicker for mandating. And a cünt for being pissy about being exposed.

Covtards refuse to acknowledge they got taken. And refuse to admit they took giant leaps down the path to destroying this country with their paranoia and cowardice.

“Let’s move on”

When they say that, what they really mean is don’t remind me or point out my retardation. And let’s go suck Zalensky’s balls

I'm starting to think that the gent pointing out all the texan covtards might be on to something.

https://www.concealedcarry.com/firearms-ownership/hornady-reverses-course/

irfubar, From the comments here it sounds like you are the only one with any experience in management, of your own company, you all should note, i didn't say i agreed with Steve Hornady, but understand his reasons for the decisions he made at the time he made them.
The whole World was shutting down because of Covid,and large parts of the World are still shut down or operating with Covid mandates, it's easy to be a critic when you don't have company to run. Rio7

Fugkin moron doesn't even know you don't use an apostrophe to denote plural.

Your ASS-umptions are amazing.

^^^^^^

What does any of that have to do with integrity?

Why not sacrifice your workers to an experimental vaccine to lower your personal liability?

Totally cool.

The company I worked for at the time (in management) - much MUCH larger than Hornady was pretty specific with us.

We can not force you to get a jab.

We will make time available to those who want to get it

If you DO get it - please let us know, anonymously via survey monkey. It's simply a yes or no survey so we can compute percentages.

CEO's don't do those things or if they are, the company isn't that large.

AFAIK Steve Hornady has always been involved in his family business, so I would expect him to know his employees and their areas of interest. He probably worked along side many of them as he worked his way up the management hierarchy.

I have inherited a family business, have purchased an existing business, and have started a business from scratch. All have their challenges.

Money is more important than employees.

Bang on.. But yeah Steve's a Dick in person..

I was of course being sarcastic....but had no idea that Steve was an ásshole.

Figures though.

^^^Also claims walls don't work on the southwest border.^^^

LOL

Light bulb coming on for any of you yet?

You think his company was going titts up?

Hatari did the same thing.

But hey, let's move on.

LOL

You still think the election was stolen?

Yep.

100%

Maybe a fence/wall is a small piece of the puzzle but if you think it's the answer then your bulb is burned out.

Oh really

Really....you think a wall in of itself will stop the issue? Sure it will curb it some and believe me, I'm pro wall. The reality is as long as the current administration plans to do what they are planning in May - then you can build a wall 500 feet tall, but if you don't close the gate, what's the point.

The wall with Trump's policies could make a difference - but short of that - why get a ladder when you can walk across using the front door?

Even after seeing all these pro mandate pro lockdown types?

Let's all listen to the Wisdom of a DRUNK CATFISH, BOTTOM FEEDER, NAH !! Rio7

That's a good question - a dumbass question, but a good dumbass question regardless.

3 maybe 4

You must have written in Cruz....

These companies should probably force employees to convert to Islam.

Muslims don't eat pork or drink...and pork and alcohol is bad for you.

It's a employee safety issue I think.

Never mind - you are just a little dumb aren't you.

Tell us all you know about it.

I have never been in favor of a wall on the U.S. side of the Border, yes i know the Border runs down the middle of the Rio Grande, to many land owners on our side of the Border are having their land cut up by the wall, I know some that are farming on both sides of the wall, there are places where the wall is 1/4 mile or more from the river. The cartels and human smugglers are not slowed down by the wall, they go threw, over, under or around the wall, the border is 1250 miles long, or from Boston Mass to Jacksonville, Fla. enforcing the laws we have on the books is the only way to stop most of the illegal entry's and smuggling. Trump slowed the illegals down by about 75%, now we have no enforcement at all. Rio7

A minefield might work too...

Yeh. Ammo sales have really dropped the past 2 years. But the window licking covtard doesn't even understand economics

You serious

And what does Border Patrol boots on the ground think regarding strategically placed barriers on the border?

LOL - tell you what? You are the one making the assumptions. I"m just saying they are dumbass assumptions.

You really think that the most of the people on this forum voted for anyone except Trump? If you do - you are dumber than a retarded box of rocks.

Do you really believe most of the people here, that you and your butt buddies are calling "covtards", supported that BS? If you do - I almost feel sorry for you - almost.

Oh, and the best of all - do you really believe that someone that took a shot or expressed their opinion in support of a personal choice; caused schools to close, the economy to tank, and all that other BS that you and those same butt buddies have been spewing - if so, you are a special kind of stupid.

Now - go and make some more of your dumbass assumptions - Does this mean we can't be friends - LMAO

Can Muslims even hear a call to prayers with the heavy winds and moong cows and bugling elk and howling wolves in central Montana Jim?

I can't really say what Border Patrol guys think - I don't talk to them much, but I can tell you that the local sheriffs and state troopers are in favor of anything that might help. They also are quick to tell you the "wall" will only serve as a minimal deterrence.

RIO7 is correct saying that the fence, at least in the Rio Grande Valley area, has homes and farms between it and the river. The gates are open...

Having worked on the border barriers placed n strategic areas do work. No one sad anything about building a Great Wall of China type structure there. More ridiculous hyperbole

They hate em. Especially if someone has to build highfence for hunting on both sides.

About all the Border Patrol does now, stand at the Border and count Illegals passing by, and baby sit little kids. Rio7

LOL - strategic locations? Give me a break. And I call BS on the "Great Wall of China" comment - that is exactly what most people are expecting - at least those that don't have a clue.

Kinda funny - but I can promise you a hunting high fence ain't stopping sheit.

Why not just shoot anyone who enters the U.S. anywhere except for an established port of entry and let GOD sort them out?

EDIT - or make it a felony to knowingly employ an undocumented alien with mandatory sentencing guidelines that double with each subsequent incendent?

1 UA = 1 year in prison and a $10,000 fine
2 UAs - 3 years in prson and a $30,000 fine
3 UAs - 7 years in prison and $70,000 fine

Most people would find a way to hire citizens or legally documented aliens rather than risk a felony conviction and draconian fines.

The Border wall and high fence are a lot alike, what ever critter wants in or out will cross over, under or thru, The state of Texas, is covered up with illegals and free range exotic's that went thru walls and high fence. Rio7

The Great Wall of China is over 13 thousand miles long, built over 2200 years ago & has worked all these years to keep illegal frijoles out of China

Don't tell me that the USA can't build a complete border wall that will work in modern times, it is a retarded argument

The U.S. can build a wall bigger and better than China's Great Wall, but you still have to put the people power on the wall, when China stopped manning the wall it was crossed. today we have more than enough tech to close the Border but not the will. Rio7

Ho lee crap Jim, you are 1 dumb sumbietch

Not dumb
Not dumb as a rock
Not dumb as a box of rocks
You are dumber than a retarded box of rocks

(at least you're smarter than a retarded box of retarded rocks) I think ?

A modern wall works pretty well for keeping Arabs out of Israel. Those who try to rush the border at entry points get kneecapped with Ruger .22s.

How many of you China Wall critics have been the emperior of a major Country ? with all the problems that go with the job?

99% of you have not or do not know how to do payroll, workman's comp, health care, let alone develop new products, maintain existing products,

You know how much any Country of any size needs a bunch of critic's that don't know and haven't ever run a Country, pissin on their front porch,?? No One. now tell us about all the money you spend cheap Chinese crap , Sheeech!! Go back to your couch & key board Covid Cry Baby's. Rio7

Wall or no Wall , you knee cap any illegal, and the powers that be, will be all over you like white on rice. Rio7

I guarantee you an absolute pile of dingleberries here didn't vote for Trump.

The numbers just don't lie.

Also...the numbers don't lie about covtards and mandates.

Everybody is changing their tune now.

Nope. A lot didn't.

They either didn't vote or they voted for Biden.

That the trouble with these so called "conservatives" and pos "libertarians".

Most "Liberaltarians" I know around here voted for Biden because of their hatred for Trump, they admit it too !
As long as Orange Man didn't get to stay in office they are cool with what is happening in the US today, most Liberaltarians are worse than Democrats

You’re gonna piss Mjgbalt off. He says it doesn’t matter because they stole the election so his anti trump vote doesn’t count. LMAO.

If you didn’t vote for DJT you can GO FUGK YOURSELF

Damn right. I’d bet there’s a scheit pile of fundamentalists, RINO’s, libertarians and other idiots that took the “moral high ground “. And either sat it out or voted for Biden or Jorgensen.

Soooo, no then?

Guns/babies/border

It’s that simple for me.


If a pol or candidate (who honestly represents their positions) aligns with those issues they’ll align with the other lesser issues. Same as an employer who wants to dip their toe and be political even if it’s way out of their purview.

Steve Hornady (based on his mandate) very likely does not align.

What is your goal?

To convince people not to buy Hornady products or something else?

I can't speak for Gruff, but I do share his views.... the thing is there is no "goal" as you describe it.... the truth matters. So is Steve a POS or his he just a hard working guy trying to keep his business afloat?
There is a schit-ton of evidence that points towards him being a POS.... now you seem to have an agenda...being from Nebraska maybe your interest is involved? I don't know nor care.... but truth matters

I don't have an agenda about COVID or Hornady or almost anything that doesn't directly impact my immediate family, friends, my businesses. I'm pretty indifferent about other people, don't care if they take their next breath. Get th vax, don't get the vax, live, die, what other people choose to do is of no consequence to me.

Truth is hard to find, lots of people are pushing their version of the truth, which may or may not actually be the truth.

I can respect that view..... just curious is all

Goal? Simply getting the info out there.

The last several years we have been overwhelmed with bullshît. At a minimum, 90% of the cünt bitch-ass jabbers weren’t “you do you, I’ll do me and I respect your decision not to follow cdc/who/NWO guidelines and be a Guinea pig for an experimental treatment”. They existed for sure, but were a damned small minority. Even here on the fire, one of the last beacons of truelly free speech, amongst a membership I was admittedly once naïve enough to believe were patriots. To say otherwise is at best a lie, and at most accurate a damned lie. By and large it was a giant guilt trip of how the injabbed and unmasked were killing everyone.

Anyone that has paid attention over the last couple years knows the truth. And it’s a bitter fücking pill for püssies that can’t admit fault.

A company, most fücking especially a company that caters to the gun centric/reloader demographic and plays on the “family business” angle should’ve read the wind better. I hope the company survives under new management and new owners.

You nailed it man. But fûck being polite about it. Hornady was a cünt playing at politics. I hope he get a clot from his booster.

You know what Steve can run his company and i say I can take my money away.

Absolutely.

And his employees should have been free to decide whether or not to partake in a medical experiment.

What should be, could be, and will never be are tough to wrestle.

Best a guy can do is to be as informed as possible and make his choices as they are laid out.

RL, making dumbass assumptions, jumping to conclusions, and repeating the assumptions and conclusions of other dumbasses is the mighty engine which drives this particular forum.

Doesn’t matter what Steve Hornady actually said, or actually did,or if he corrected a bad decision or statement… facts are irrelevant, nuance is a filthy French word, and no Covtard from Texas has any right to an opinion. All that matters here is that the mob agrees on what he said or did and it was bad, bad, bad.

Sorta like how I supposedly supported vaccine mandates and masks for everyone and shutting down schools and putting all Republicans in concentration camps. Oh, and I’m keeping Hillary alive with peptides extracted from the bodies of aborted fetuses.

Don’t sweat the small stuff. Hornady makes some good stuff. I still buy it.

How many circles are there on that victim card you can punch before you get a free hummer from JeffO/take your pic of the mandate apologists?

The benefit of a doubt is getting harder to grant as each new post transpires..... Fubarski has brought up some pretty damning post regarding the good doctor...

I like and respect him. But damn he’s got to come down a few pegs before they are broke off from under him.

A minefield might work too...

Add automated machine gun nests every 300yds and we will satisfy the use of technology argument for the libs.

Forcing your employees to decide between providing for their families, losing retirement and other benefits, maybe their vehicles snd homes etc. or taking an experimental vaccine against their will is sadistic.

Coming on to this forum, presenting yourself as the medical professional you are, having those credentials and expertise touted by other forum members building up credibility and making supportive arguments for folks to take the experimental vaccine, then coming back a year later to say “oopsie” maybe I was wrong and the whole pandemic was a scam etc…
Is at the least, irresponsible.

Then again, one of Doc’s biggest supporter is a brainless twit that could give Biden a run for his money in the pudding head department that believes there’s a pentagram room in the senate where they convene black masses at night and sacrifice and eat babies, so caveat emptor…

Doc - don't know you are have a personal opinion about you one way or the other. I will say my personal doctor suggested I consider taking the shot and I respectfully declined. Not that I didn't trust him, still my doctor - but because he did admit that the jury was still out on what it actually did. He basically told me the virus was unknown and if it was really a cold type virus, then he needed more information before he was ready to give it 100% support. He also told me there were mixed opinions in the medical field both pro and con. He didn't try to convince me beyond that conversation. It never came up again. And yes, he took the Pfizer shot.

Because I don't know you, I am inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt - certainly your personal medical opinion wasn't the cause of all the chaos that ensued as a result of the virus. However, it is hard to argue that the medical profession, as a whole, didn't contribute to the resulting state of affairs. Even so, it is pure BS the way this has all played out for you personally, especially since you have reversed your original opinion. Reminds me of the old mob mentality - brave when in the group but tuck tail and run when by themselves (now that should go over well).

The only Hornady product that I regularly use is 17HM2 ammo. CCI makes this ammo for Hornady and since they are the only company that is currently making 17HM2 ammo, the choice is the shut those rifles down or continue to buy from Hornady. I haven't bought any 17HM2 ammo for a couple of years, as I prefer to buy in volume when consumable things that I use/want are on sale. Come to think of it, I also use the 75 grain 0.257" VMax and the 129 grain 0.264" SST component bullets, but have sufficient inventory on hand that was purchased prior to the COVID crisis.

The following is a summary of the current Nebraska law covering employee and employer rights concerning COVID vax:

"On February 25, 2022, the Nebraska Legislature passed Legislative Bill 906, which requires employers who mandate COVID-19 vaccinations to grant a vaccine exemption for medical or religious purposes. Governor Ricketts signed LB 906 on February 28, 2022 and it is now effective.

According to LB 906, any employer—public or private—that requires its job applicants or employees to be vaccinated against COVID-19 now must grant an exemption from vaccination for individuals who provide a completed vaccine exemption form, available from the Nebraska Department of Health and Human Services (“NDHHS”), seeking an exemption on the basis of a medical or religious basis. The simple, one-page form is now available and can be found on the NDHHS site. An employer need not require the NDHHS form, although that does not alter the employer’s obligation to grant medical or religious exemptions under this new law.

In the vaccine exemption form, the individual must declare either: (1) that a health care practitioner has provided the individual with a signed written statement that, in the health care practitioner’s opinion, receiving a COVID-19 vaccine is either medically contraindicated for the individual or medical necessity requires the individual to delay receiving such vaccine; or (2) that receiving a COVID-19 vaccine would conflict with the individual’s sincerely held religious belief, practice, or observance. Those seeking an exemption for medical reasons must also provide the signed written statement from a health care practitioner identified in the completed form.

According to the statute, an employer may require its exempted employees to be periodically tested for COVID-19 at the employer’s expense. This change is significant because, up until now, employers have not been required to pay for testing. The statute also allows employers to require its exempted employees to wear or use personal protective equipment (“PPE”) provided by the employer. The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (“OSHA”) already requires employers to provide and pay for mandatory PPE; however, according to OSHA, a face covering is not considered to be PPE, but rather, a source control measure. Thus, even under this new law, an employer likely can still require its exempted employees to wear face coverings—with the exception of N-95 masks or more sophisticated respirators—at their own expense.

Additionally, the statute explicitly states that certain employers, such as Medicare-certified or Medicaid-certified providers or suppliers or federal contractors, may require additional processes, documentation, or accommodations to comply with their obligations under federal law and the rules and regulations of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (“CMS”). Thus, employers in the healthcare industry should take care to ensure they comply with any applicable CMS vaccine mandates, as those supersede Nebraska’s LB 906.

By now, employers are well-aware that the landscape surrounding COVID-19 vaccine mandates and policies is constantly shifting. Employers with mandatory COVID-19 vaccine requirements must now allow medical and religious exemptions, but can, at their discretion, require COVID-19 testing and mandatory PPE. However, employers with such policies should carefully consider how their employees might react to such a policy as well as how they will consistently enforce such a policy.".

It is that simple - really comes down to morals, rights, and security.

Hornady has good products, I just can't help but think about how the owner handled his business. Guess that makes me somewhat hypocritical because I do like the Athlon products made in China.

Did your mom ever comment how cute you are at this age? 😜

RL, thanks for the thoughtful reply.

To be clear, I didn’t reverse my opinion on the vaccines. I was among a large majority of hospital physicians who saw great benefits to the vaccines in the first 8-9 months of the vaccine push, and I strongly encouraged folks to get vaccinated accordingly. Especially folks who had pre-existing health conditions that put them at risk. I NEVER endorsed mandatory vaccination at any point, though there are many on here who claim I did.

Howver, the efficacy of the vaccines has waned considerably, as many of us feared and/or “predicted” they would; the level of immune resistance to th CoV2 virus increased substantially in the population over time; and the virus began to mutate into less virulent forms over the course of the 2021 stage of the pandemic. Furthermore, the emergence of data showing serious adverse effects from the vaccines put their safety in doubt. It is as a result of these developments that I have been advising people for most of 2022 to be wary of any further vaccinations/ boosters.

I agree completely as far as this goes. Can’t say I’d take it any further than this, though.

He has made it his mission, apparently. He is a very creative editor, too. It’s a shame to see that kind of talent going to waste.

Insurance companies, OSHA, Company Lawyers make many of these decisions. CFO's and CEO"s have to make decisions based on potential liability, and this is a mess.

Hang in here, Doc.
It's good to hear a knowledgeable, rational voice, on occasion.

Fuck-it,
I'm going home right now and toss everydamn bit of my measly Hornady ammo in the dumpster!

Does anyone here know Federals stance?
Gas is expensive, don't want to have to make a second trip!

Steve owes no one an apology. His company, his rules. Right or wrong.

I hadn't considered that he may have edited the quotes.... if that is true I owe you an apology and Fubarski needs to be held accountable...

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I guarantee you an absolute pile of dingleberries here didn't vote for Trump.

The numbers just don't lie.

Also...the numbers don't lie about covtards and mandates.

Everybody is changing their tune now.



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Maybe so, but I thought the numbers say that Trump received around 10 million more votes in 2020 than in 2016. To me it comes down to two scenarios.

1 - The dems were so sure Hillary was going to win in 2016 that they just didn't show up and vote. In 2020 they did show up. Even though Trump received more votes in 2020 than in 2016, it just
wasn't enough. Possible but I still am having a hard time with that scenario.

2 - The election was rigged (stolen) to guarantee a Biden win. Just looking at the way the election was handled and the "numbers", you have to at least wonder??? I tend to lean toward this
scenario.

I'm sure there were so called conservatives that either voted against Trump or didn't vote at all - happens every election. But the numbers don't seem to support that as a substantial deciding factor. My point is, I don't think the majority of guys on this forum are anti-Trump, contrary to what you seem to insinuate.

I guarantee you an absolute pile of dingleberries here didn't vote for Trump.

The numbers just don't lie.

Also...the numbers don't lie about covtards and mandates.

Everybody is changing their tune now.



[/quote]

Maybe so, but I thought the numbers say that Trump received around 10 million more votes in 2020 than in 2016. To me it comes down to two scenarios.

1 - The dems were so sure Hillary was going to win in 2016 that they just didn't show up and vote. In 2020 they did show up. Even though Trump received more votes in 2020 than in 2016, it just
wasn't enough. Possible but I still am having a hard time with that scenario.

2 - The election was rigged (stolen) to guarantee a Biden win. Just looking at the way the election was handled and the "numbers", you have to at least wonder??? I tend to lean toward this
scenario.

I'm sure there were so called conservatives that either voted against Trump or didn't vote at all - happens every election. But the numbers don't seem to support that as a substantial deciding factor. My point is, I don't think the majority of guys on this forum are anti-Trump, contrary to what you seem to insinuate.
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I didn't cast a vote for POTUS in 2020 because I didn't feel that either candidate was worthy of the office.

When you are faced with what you consider to be two equally poor choices what option is there?

Ummm, Run & Hide?

And he can suffer the consequences, just like everybody else may or may not who politicizes commerce.

PS- Fugg Steve Hornady.

Oh my...... the problem is identified

Maybe so, but I thought the numbers say that Trump received around 10 million more votes in 2020 than in 2016. To me it comes down to two scenarios.

1 - The dems were so sure Hillary was going to win in 2016 that they just didn't show up and vote. In 2020 they did show up. Even though Trump received more votes in 2020 than in 2016, it just
wasn't enough. Possible but I still am having a hard time with that scenario.

2 - The election was rigged (stolen) to guarantee a Biden win. Just looking at the way the election was handled and the "numbers", you have to at least wonder??? I tend to lean toward this
scenario.

I'm sure there were so called conservatives that either voted against Trump or didn't vote at all - happens every election. But the numbers don't seem to support that as a substantial deciding factor. My point is, I don't think the majority of guys on this forum are anti-Trump, contrary to what you seem to insinuate.
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I didn't cast a vote for POTUS in 2020 because I didn't feel that either candidate was worthy of the office.

When you are faced with what you consider to be two equally poor choices what option is there?[/quote]


Then I think you are part of the problem. We have been voting for the best of the worst for years. I guess I have difficulty with rationalizing how someone can think that.

No offense and not meant to be a trick question - but do you really believe that Biden has done more for the USA than Trump? If so, how???

Oh, and it pisses me off that by you saying this - Conrad can come back and tell me "I told you so".

Hahahaha!

Bet you told him to write that.....

It was an inside job.


No but seriously...I am amazed daily by the people I find who should have known better.

If you don't vote in every election, form dog catcher to POTUS, you have no right to bitch about any Government office from Local, State, or National office, sit down and shut up sucker. Rio7

he's a 260 REM shooter for chrissakes

What he needs to apologize for is for ceasing production of most of their round nose bullets in all weights and calibres.

Put em back in production, dammit!

You are getting dangerously close to being a "chucklehead" Jorge.....

XACTLY! to wit:
300gr 405 (411) WCF
200gr 348 WCF
180gr 30 cal

to name but a few....

Is chucklehead bad?

Bristoe seems to think it ruins the campfire and chases off the good guys..... ;(

jorge, Keep it up your doing fine. Rio7

I'm still here and I ain't a good guy.. But I do like Bristoe.

Yes - but you do understand I'm not saying you are right and I was wrong.....

Wonder if Bristoe voted for Trump in 2020?

These folks fired Sully and replaced him with a Stewardess...right after the bird hit.

I didn't cast a vote for POTUS in 2020 because I didn't feel that either candidate was worthy of the office.

When you are faced with what you consider to be two equally poor choices what option is there?[/quote]


Then I think you are part of the problem. We have been voting for the best of the worst for years. I guess I have difficulty with rationalizing how someone can think that.

No offense and not meant to be a trick question - but do you really believe that Biden has done more for the USA than Trump? If so, how???

Oh, and it pisses me off that by you saying this - Conrad can come back and tell me "I told you so".
[/quote]

It seems like I have been voting for the less bad candidate for POTUS since 1988.

I don't think that JRB, Jr., is a good POTUS, and will probably rank among the worst in our history when viewed in hindsight. JRB, Jr., has done a tremendous amount of harm to the U.S. during the time that he has been POTUS and if the Republicans run a candidate who I believe in in 2024, I will vote for him/her. I look at JRB, Jr., as another puppet, like GWB was, having his strings pulled by other people. In JRB. Jr.'s case by BHO and his cabal.

DJT had 4 years to prove himself to be capable and competent, but IMO he was a self-serving person who surrounded himself with family, like his daughter and SIL, who acted in their own best interests, not in the best interest of we the people. He strikes me as being a rude and arrogant man who spent far too much time promoting himself and refusing to listen to people with much more practical experience and knowledge. DJT did some good things, just not enough of them for me to support him.

If I'm part of the problem because I am viewed as not being a yellow dog republican, I can live with that, as I feel that I have always voted my conscience, for the best option as I saw it.

"DJT did some good things, just not enough of them for me to support him."

Care to expand?

Then I think you are part of the problem. We have been voting for the best of the worst for years. I guess I have difficulty with rationalizing how someone can think that.

No offense and not meant to be a trick question - but do you really believe that Biden has done more for the USA than Trump? If so, how???

Oh, and it pisses me off that by you saying this - Conrad can come back and tell me "I told you so".
[/quote]

It seems like I have been voting for the less bad candidate for POTUS since 1988.

I don't think that JRB, Jr., is a good POTUS, and will probably rank among the worst in our history when viewed in hindsight. JRB, Jr., has done a tremendous amount of harm to the U.S. during the time that he has been POTUS and if the Republicans run a candidate who I believe in in 2024, I will vote for him/her. I look at JRB, Jr., as another puppet, like GWB was, having his strings pulled by other people. In JRB. Jr.'s case by BHO and his cabal.

DJT had 4 years to prove himself to be capable and competent, but IMO he was a self-serving person who surrounded himself with family, like his daughter and SIL, who acted in their own best interests, not in the best interest of we the people. He strikes me as being a rude and arrogant man who spent far too much time promoting himself and refusing to listen to people with much more practical experience and knowledge. DJT did some good things, just not enough of them for me to support him.

If I'm part of the problem because I am viewed as not being a yellow dog republican, I can live with that, as I feel that I have always voted my conscience, for the best option as I saw it.[/quote]


You traded the comfort of your clean “conscious” for a worse country for all of us partner. DJT isn’t my favorite president either, but he was a damn sight better than Biden. If that’s not an easy choice for you to make (albeit while holding your nose)…then you’re a fool.

Enjoy your position atop the moral high-ground while the foundation beneath it erodes.

Then I think you are part of the problem. We have been voting for the best of the worst for years. I guess I have difficulty with rationalizing how someone can think that.

No offense and not meant to be a trick question - but do you really believe that Biden has done more for the USA than Trump? If so, how???

Oh, and it pisses me off that by you saying this - Conrad can come back and tell me "I told you so".
[/quote]

It seems like I have been voting for the less bad candidate for POTUS since 1988.

I don't think that JRB, Jr., is a good POTUS, and will probably rank among the worst in our history when viewed in hindsight. JRB, Jr., has done a tremendous amount of harm to the U.S. during the time that he has been POTUS and if the Republicans run a candidate who I believe in in 2024, I will vote for him/her. I look at JRB, Jr., as another puppet, like GWB was, having his strings pulled by other people. In JRB. Jr.'s case by BHO and his cabal.

DJT had 4 years to prove himself to be capable and competent, but IMO he was a self-serving person who surrounded himself with family, like his daughter and SIL, who acted in their own best interests, not in the best interest of we the people. He strikes me as being a rude and arrogant man who spent far too much time promoting himself and refusing to listen to people with much more practical experience and knowledge. DJT did some good things, just not enough of them for me to support him.

If I'm part of the problem because I am viewed as not being a yellow dog republican, I can live with that, as I feel that I have always voted my conscience, for the best option as I saw it.[/quote]




You faIled to realize that "Better" sometimes comes in increments, when a direct path isn't available.

I dunno if he did or didn’t, but I read a couple of his posts last summer allegedly quoting me that seemed to be “off” and uncharacteristic of what I THOUGHT I had previously posted. But I’ didn’t care enough to look into it further, as I was a) tired of the whole dogfight I’d let myself get into, and b) embarrassed for having let myself get baited into responding in anger and frustration. So I don’t care if he played fast and loose with my posts or not.

If anyone cares enough about it, they can ask him to cite the posts as quoted, go back in the search function, and verify the statements and their context. I don’t think it’s worth the trouble, but that would be the remedy, I guess.

The fact is that we all write things on this forum that can look pretty bad through the retrospectoscope, and I am no exception.

Example: I am engaged in several lawsuits as an expert witness on behalf of plaintiffs in several states. Opposing counsel (OC) realllllly doesn’t like what I have to say, and as I’m pretty much one of a handful of people who are considered expert in this field by the courts, and they don’t have anyone who can refute my testimony, they have taken to character assassination in depositions.

In a recent deposition, OC dredged up a post I made here on the 24HCF in 2011 that sounded pretty awful at first blush (how they sussed out my participation here has me wondering how much time and effort these lawyers have for such things!) describing in general terms how much I hate dealing with combative drunks in the ER, and cited a recent experience with a drunk, high, naked combative female who puked all over me. OC tried to use this as evidence that I was a misogynist, a racist (the young lady was Asian), a closet sexual deviant, and so forth. But I couldn’t deny that I had written those things, because I did write them. I remember writing them, even though that was 11 years ago.

In discussion with plaintiff’s counsel afterwards, they laughed and told me not to worry about it, as the attack had noth8ng to do with the case, and that the truly shameful fact was that OC’s staff had spent untold hours digging up this post, which must have taken them many, many hours and which they billed their client for to the tune of thousands and thousands of dollars, no doubt.

Which brings me to the present question of Mr. Fubarski. His deep dive into my past writing must have taken him many hours to accomplish. And many more hours to edit, collate, and put back into the forum. To what purpose, I have to wonder? Do I occupy so much rent-free space in his head that he finds this expenditure of time and effort justifiable on some level?

Unlike the previously mentioned lawyers, no one is paying him to do this. Or maybe someone is, LOL. I don’t care. I’ve had him on ignore for months.

What it comes down to quite simply is this, as I said over on the thread titled DocRocket: I tried to give people on this forum who I care about the best information I had at the time. I never intentionally misrepresented the facts as I understood them. If something I wrote did mislead someone into getting treatment that injured them, I have never heard of it, but if it did I would be deeply troubled by that. I’m not sure how much more I can apologize than that.

Uh...yeah.


It was that toilet seat that I got those crabs from.

Yeah.....that was it.

So??? What did the brain trust determine on Mr. Hornaday???

260 Remguy.....YES, you and a large # of gutless cowards who didn't vote Trump essentially voted Biden whether you're man enough to admit it or not. I'm pretty sure I remember Bristoe doing the same thing.

At the end of the day...he was just doing what he thought was right to protect his profits and his investors best interests, and to lower his liability.

A real hero.

Thanks Jim. Not that I gave a flying schidt to begin with. As with most things in life these days.

Now on to more important things.

It seems like I have been voting for the less bad candidate for POTUS since 1988.

I don't think that JRB, Jr., is a good POTUS, and will probably rank among the worst in our history when viewed in hindsight. JRB, Jr., has done a tremendous amount of harm to the U.S. during the time that he has been POTUS and if the Republicans run a candidate who I believe in in 2024, I will vote for him/her. I look at JRB, Jr., as another puppet, like GWB was, having his strings pulled by other people. In JRB. Jr.'s case by BHO and his cabal.

DJT had 4 years to prove himself to be capable and competent, but IMO he was a self-serving person who surrounded himself with family, like his daughter and SIL, who acted in their own best interests, not in the best interest of we the people. He strikes me as being a rude and arrogant man who spent far too much time promoting himself and refusing to listen to people with much more practical experience and knowledge. DJT did some good things, just not enough of them for me to support him.

If I'm part of the problem because I am viewed as not being a yellow dog republican, I can live with that, as I feel that I have always voted my conscience, for the best option as I saw it.[/quote]


You traded the comfort of your clean “conscious” for a worse country for all of us partner. DJT isn’t my favorite president either, but he was a damn sight better than Biden. If that’s not an easy choice for you to make (albeit while holding your nose)…then you’re a fool.

Enjoy your position atop the moral high-ground while the foundation beneath it erodes.[/quote]

As much as I dislike JRB, Jr., not having DJT as POTUS isn't causing me to lose any sleep,

We all have make choices that we believe are right for us and accept the consequences. As I have both served and bled for my Country, I feel that I have earned the right to vote as I see fit.

Please note that DJT won the popular vote in Nebraska by a significant margin and my decision not to cast a vote for a candidate that I didn't believe in made no difference in the final tally of popular or electoral college votes. JRB, Jr. won my congressional district by around 22,000 votes and my county by around 31,000 votes.
My decision not to cast a vote for POTUS didn't hurt DJT or help JRB, Jr.

I must be further out in the boonies than I thought. I wasn't aware of this about Hornady.

Maybe no loss of sleep, but I can tell you having Biden as president seems to have cost me a whole lot in gas, groceries, and building materials - just to name a few. Try to rationalize it anyway you want, but that's a fact.

I support your right not to vote 100% - your right! At the same time I think you are giving up some of your rights by not voting. "When we fail to stand for something, we will fall for anything." Thank you for your service to our country - and that was not sarcasm.

I never said it was THE answer, you illiterate fugk.

Yes.

^^^This is a perfect example of just how fugking stupid your average Texan is.^^^

Get along the border and they're even worse.

You traded the comfort of your clean “conscious” for a worse country for all of us partner. DJT isn’t my favorite president either, but he was a damn sight better than Biden. If that’s not an easy choice for you to make (albeit while holding your nose)…then you’re a fool.

Enjoy your position atop the moral high-ground while the foundation beneath it erodes.[/quote]

As much as I dislike JRB, Jr., not having DJT as POTUS isn't causing me to lose any sleep,

We all have make choices that we believe are right for us and accept the consequences. As I have both served and bled for my Country, I feel that I have earned the right to vote as I see fit.

Please note that DJT won the popular vote in Nebraska by a significant margin and my decision not to cast a vote for a candidate that I didn't believe in made no difference in the final tally of popular or electoral college votes. JRB, Jr. won my congressional district by around 22,000 votes and my county by around 31,000 votes.
My decision not to cast a vote for POTUS didn't hurt DJT or help JRB, Jr.[/quote]


You are a complete complete moron

Maybe no loss of sleep, but I can tell you having Biden as president seems to have cost me a whole lot in gas, groceries, and building materials - just to name a few. Try to rationalize it anyway you want, but that's a fact.

I support your right not to vote 100% - your right! At the same time I think you are giving up some of your rights by not voting. "When we fail to stand for something, we will fall for anything." Thank you for your service to our country - and that was not sarcasm.
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COVID has cost me over $500K in lost income and I'm paying the same high prices that you are. I think that JRB, Jr., has made a lot of bad decisions, but he has been doing what his supporters wanted. They wanted open borders, debt forgiven, fossil fuel production cut back, etc. I think that we should have tightly controlled, closed, borders, that student debt shouldn't be forgiven, and we should make as much fossil fuel as we need domestically and to supply our allies need, so that none of us are dependent on Russian or Middle Eastern oil. The Earth might be in danger, but the Chinese and Indians create more pollution than the U.S. and EU do and unless there is some way to address the problem across the board, there isn't any reason for Americans to bear a great share of the burden. Going green can't happen over a short period of time, regardless of how bad fossil fuels are for the environment.

While a vote or not in your local area may or may not have changed the election - you couldn't possibly know for sure on election day.

It's not that you KNEW a vote didn't matter, it's that you didn't care if it did or not.

deflave, For a 3rd grader your comments are right up there, for a person with no talent you sure resent the hell out of people with skills, when are you going to come up with something positive to add to any conversation, that's not about your dick?? maybe I should quit call you a bottom feeder CATFISH, and change you to a STARFISH bottom feeder, you are a ASSS HOLE. Rio7

You're right, I didn't care which candidate won the 2020 election for POTUS because I didn't think that either of them was worthy of holding that office, I still don't. IMO when neither candidate is worthy, it doesn't matter which candidate wins.

so you're a Bernie baby ...... a f kn Communist .....

He is a moronic POS

And you say this now?
Seriously?
Did you happen to cancel a Twitter account in the last week also?[that might explain some things if you did]

^^^Open your eyes, ladies.^^^

I would have voted for Trump if Sanders had been the other candidate because that would have been "vote for the less bad candidate" scenario.

I've never been on Twitter or Facebook.

He also believes if private property surrounds public property, the landowners should be able to deny access and treat the public land as if it was their own. Free and clear of property taxes etc.

This is my contention.

They didn't need to steal that damn much.

👍👍

Texas

I use Nosler products, always have, always will.

My thoughts are simply he as did a lot of companies force into making decisions by his employees to subject to getting a vaccine or losing their job. He made this choice based on his profits, his choice, my choice is who I buy from

I am not impressed with Hornady ammo. I bought my first 2 boxes this year for a 243. The first 4 shells got my gun close to sighted in. The fifth shot sounded like a dud and the sixth I didn’t even think the bullet came out of the barrel. I had to remove the bolt to make sure. I sent the ammunition back for a refund from the company!

I understand your contention but if you really break it down and look at it, you can see that they 100% stole the election.

Would it have been closer than common sense would dictate? Yes. There are plenty of dumb fugks in this country.

But that election was stolen. 100%.

Type something that isn't stupid and I'll happily applaud.

(fingers crossed)

LOL

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Flave, Some one caught you playing in the driveway.

If your brains were Dyn-o-mite you couldn't blow your nose.

Rio7

That's not quite what I believe regarding BLM land that is landlocked inside of private, deeded, land. In my scenario, whoever holds the grazing allotment on that piece of landlocked BLM land has to have limited trespassing rights, a legally documented right of way or easement, in order to move his/her cattle across the private, deeded, land and to care for those cattle while they are grazing on the BLM land. The landowner(s) who own the land surrounding the BLM land need to hold the grazing allotment on that BLM land in order to use it. You can't treat BLM land as though it was you own, free and clear of property taxes, etc., unless you run your ranching operation on the Cliven Bundy model. When my in-laws owned a ranch with a section, 640 acres, of landlocked BLM land inside of it, they had the BLM land surveyed and fenced at their expense so that there wouldn't be any question about where the property lines were and what was BLM and what was private.

^^^Also claims walls don't work on the southwest border.^^^ Guess your dementia is acting up again???? Please don't come back and capitalize "THE" again - it makes you look more of a dumbass than you already are.

Tell you what - why don't you go back and stick your thumb up your ass and in the morning brag about screwing a virgin. Well that's assuming you hadn't already done that.....LMAO.

Ok - we pretty much agree on what your convictions are but the problem is, per your post, you didn't stand up for those convictions. You want all those things but didn't take the time to vote.

Again, it's your right but please don't tell me about lost income, open borders, etc if you are not going to do what you can to make a difference. Voting might not be much - and today it is even more suspect - but it is what we have as of now.

Kiss my ass

Ok - we pretty much agree on what your convictions are but the problem is, per your post, you didn't stand up for those convictions. You want all those things but didn't take the time to vote.

Again, it's your right but please don't tell me about lost income, open borders, etc if you are not going to do what you can to make a difference. Voting might not be much - and today it is even more suspect - but it is what we have as of now.
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I voted for other candidates in other races in 2022, but I didn't vote for POTUS because I didn't believe that either was worthy of holding the office. If I had thought that one of them would have been less bad, I would have voted for that candidate, but I saw them both as being equally weak. Weak in different ways, but weak never the less.

Nebraska is a strong Republican state outside of Lincoln, Omaha, and the Native American Reservation, so I know that my protest didn't hurt DJT and didn't help JRB, Jr.

I think they call that “virtue signaling”.

We call not voting "cowardly......like a coward" where I live.

I bet you pissed and moan about it too.

LOL

But you and RIO got Biden in now. So enjoy.

RIO,

Where is that dumb fugk "Gene" that used to agree that walls don't work on the southwest border?

You two gals made quite the team.

LOL

deflave, i've been on the Fire for over 10 years, and no one has ever accused you of being smart, back to the bottom of the pond CATFISH< all mouth no brains. Rio7

How many wets have you or your dad employed?

LOL

Be honest, if you can.

If you had a brain you would known that flave is extremely smart

Well, he doesn't.

LOL

That i have noticed

Flave, No Dad, No wet's No SCHITT, Rio7

jwp475, GFY

Why, i can do women, try it somtime

^^^Bull Fugking Schit.^^^

110%

,BGG, Who asked you?? GFY

flave, You wouldn't know a wet if his was piss'in on your leg. you are a joke, and the jokes on you and your PUPPETS Rio7

So , Blue , tell us how an average joe saves enough to buy a Texas ranch.... in detail.... if you do that I will tell, in detail how I saved enough to build a business

You know you're old ass (and your family) hired wets for decades on end.

Why can't you own it?

LOL

Lottery?

Strives4balls,

Your game is weak and your mother is a whore.

LOL

If you didnt vote for Trump, you voted for Biden. Congratulations on fugking the rest of us that were smart enough to understand such a simple concept. If you felt the need to “protest” against a second trump term after the job he did the first term you’re a complete idiot. Guessing you’re retired on SS?

flave No;

irfubar No

jackmontian No


Rio7

Anything’s possible. I know a guy that has 4,000 acres near here which is unheard of. He paid for it putting some crazy ass hours working and some solid business decisions with some luck thrown in. Opportunity is what makes this country the greatest on earth.

YES Jack.... and I would love to hear Rio's story

RIO7's only story is he is a moron. Flave plays him like a fidel and he isnt bright enough to notice

When calling someone a moron, spellcheck is never the wrong choice.

I am afraid you are correct......

You got the point dill weed

You guy's don't have much of a ear for music, the only thing flave and his PUPPETS play with is between his legs. circle jerk, the funny part is he is using your hand. Rio7

Exactly the ones that pull the spell check card are using a computer not riding down the road typing on a cell phone. The add themselves to the moron status

You doubled down the the moronic side of things.

We are all ears.... if you had the truth on your side you would scream it from the rooftops

LOL

#TriggeredKaren LOL!

Yeah, yeah, we know dumb ass.

Walls are Bad. Trump's an ass hole, and you and Paw-Paw never hired no illegal workers.

LOL

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Flave, Your little boy crisis has been going for a log time, time to get over it. Rio7

FU.

Tell me again that you and your daddy never hired any wets.

LOL

Do you and Flavette kiss every night too?

More like that and you just might be a Jr Member of the flavette butt buddies club.

RL,

I thought splitting one’s time between Iowa and Canaduh was the stupidest thing I’d ever heard.

But then I saw you split your time between Grapevine and South Texas.

LMAO.

“When siblings fugk…”

LOL

Flave is God.

God is Flave.

Truly disappointed with that response - expected more - yep, guess you really are a [bleep] idiot.... Tell me again how the walls on the SW Border are making the difference ---- OMG-LOL-Hint!!!-and all those other campfire abbreviations......LMAO

Surprised you feel that way. The stupidest thing you ever heard???? Haven't been reading the sheit you have been saying have you????? But you try don't you - LOL

Excellent question and I'm glad you collected enough of your very low IQ to type it out.

In the early 90's the United States experienced unprecedented levels of illegal immigration along the border region between southern California and Mexico. Laws that were formerly broken but not wholly ignored began to be viewed as a joke around this time. There was little to no infrastructure or personnel along our southern border and that lack of infrastructure was exploited.

The response to this was an operation known as "Gatekeeper." Gatekeeper included many elements, but the overarching theme of it was deterrence. It was theorized that if more personnel and infrastructure were in place, bottlenecks could be created. These bottlenecks would allow the limited number of personnel to focus on specific areas and increase the likelihood of apprehension. It would also force smuggling organizations to become more selective in their clients. They would no longer be able to "banzai" a portion of the border and would have to genuinely map out their routes of ingress and egress, they would have to move less product and charge more per unit of measure. i.e. person, kilo, ton, ect.

The plan called for the tripling of manpower in this area but what is often forgotten (or omitted by dumb fugks like yourself) is that the long term strategy called for the building of three walls between the areas of Imperial Beach and the Arizona/California border. The premise of the walls was simple. They would be spaced out between 1/2 mile to one mile apart, and drag roads that would make a baby's ass jealous would be maintained and patrolled on a regular basis. If a group of suspected illegal aliens was detected via sign cutting every 30-60 minutes, the personnel cutting the drag would radio ahead with sign description, numbers, and the general area that they would encounter the next wall.

The theory of infrastructure and personnel proved to be so sound, that at the completion of the second wall within the most notorious zones, there was a decision made that the third wall was unnecessary. The potential for traversing these specific zones successfully dropped from 95%, to below 10%.

Operation Gatekeeper was funded and executed under the Clinton era and it should be noted that it remains one of the most secure border regions (probably the most secure) in our country. Ask any wet that has crossed multiple times if you doubt this.

Smuggling organizations essentially surrendered to the fact that California was no longer worth the effort. The chances of success were simply too low.

This brought about the cowboy and indian days that plagued the Arizona borders between Yuma and Tucson in the early 2000's. Again, the cartels exploited a complete lack of infrastructure and limited personnel. Not only were there no walls, there were not even vehicle barriers. This proved to be wonderful for an up and coming smuggling organization due to the large stretches of flat open terrain in many parts of the Arizona desert.

The response that was used in California was replicated and implemented in Arizona. Massive amounts of infrastructure went up seemingly overnight. Engineer units of the National Guard were sent to hastily construct barriers that would at minimum, stop vehicle traffic over open terrain in specific zones. They also built roads that allowed responding personnel to access these remote areas quickly, as well as cut for sign with ease. These were rudimentary walls (railroad track cut and welded into tank stoppers mostly) and roads but they proved to be extremely effective in creating the bottlenecks that proved to be invaluable in California. Increase of personnel was laser focused on Arizona for a number of years as well.

The end result was the same. Massive decrease in traffic and the likelihood of apprehension shot to 90ish%. This took place under the Bush era.

After that politicians and the conglomerate of bureaucracy that is our Department of Homeland Security continued to quietly budget for and build more and more infrastructure along our southern border. This (along with an increase of personnel) brought border traffic in areas like Deming and El Paso to a screeching halt. That is why you will see people like your hero Kamala visit El Paso. It has absurd levels of infrastructure along the border and it makes things extremely difficult for would be law breakers.

The terrain along our southern border between El Paso and Del Rio largely negates the need for man made infrastructure as long as there is sufficient personnel and technology to patrol the area.

Del Rio to Brownsville are now being fully exploited because at some point, politicians and the people that were paid to be proactive in the border security business simply stopped. It is often rumored that a big reason for this was all the dumb fugks (like you and Rio) that fought tooth and nail and paid local representatives to leave the infrastructure idea alone when it came to that portion of our southwest border.

So, here we sit. The least equipped region of the 2,000 mile border (roughly) is getting fist fugked every day of every week. And even though this is as glaring as the day is long, Americans still gotta listen to the complete fugking idiots like yourself and Rio explain "walls don't work."

LOL

And it could be argued that the most secure border in modern history existed between east and west Berlin post-WWII.

I'll let you go ahead and google how many people still managed their way through that mess. You'll quickly discover that no border can be 100% secure. But despite the outcry of dumb fugks like you, you can certainly put up a strong effort.


You're welcome,
Flave

If you wanna make my tummy hurt, tell me which area you "vacation" in south Texas.

LOL

What a broke dick fugking loser.

Who is Steve Hornady??

Congratulations on your Google expertise? For clarification and because of you are an illiterate dumbass, I already have said a wall can be a piece of the solution - Listening to a fugking idiot like you, we all ascertain that a wall at any cost is the answer or should I say 90% of the answer.

Sure if we build your wall and staff it your way, it has a greater impact - bottom line that isn't going to happen. It didn't happen under President Trump (even though I did like his policies because they did curb some of the border issues) and sure isn't under the current administration. Is it because of big ranches and private property? Maybe. Is it because of the back alley money deals made politically? More likely. But whine and live in your fantasy world all you want - odds are that there may be a courtesy continuation of the "fence" but the "gates" will still be left open.

If I thought for a second, the same money and resources spent in California and Arizona (yeah, I can google too, LMAO) would be equaled in Texas, I would be 100% in support as a piece of the deterring factor. In the early 2000's, see California and Arizona wall - the focus was on limiting the cartels hauling dope. Today politicians are worried about votes not dope. Wanna know what the percentage of illegal immigrants is that will vote democrat (in NY they already have been granted voting rights in local elections)? Well, you are google master - look it up. Will tell you that only 4% lean conservative or Republican.

You want to make a "strong effort" at border security? Then start with the legal system. The laws are already in place they just need to be enforced. Then we can talk intelligently (I realize it is a foreign concept for you) about a wall and other answers. Otherwise, take your self-righteous google sheit and stick it up your ass.

Thank you for giving me credit for having so much say in whether a wall will get built or not, but I promise the Federal Government is not asking me my opinion. Oh and Kamala visited El Paso because that is one of the few places that tolerate her, but you probably knew that too being butt buddies with O'Rourke and all.

Anybody that claims "walls don't work" is a fugking idiot.

You're a fugking idiot.

"We’ve found 74 writing issues in your text and have also detected significant plagiarism."

Pretty funny coming from one of Jerry's kids. Not to worry though, I increased my giving to March of Dimes and Jerry's kids, in your name, after reading some of your sheit. #havingfunwithJerry'skids. LMAO.

Roddy is proud to be a dipschit.

Did you know BrotherFart is a lard ass knife thief?

LOL

^^^Poor, poor, Texas.^^^

LOL

I bet your parents are from there too.

LOL

She sure seems to be.

TFF - you calling anyone a fugking idiot. That is a good personal description for yourself though - not only that, you are an illiterate dumbass too. Where did I say they didn't work smart guy??? I'll type this real slow - They don't work unless you enforce the laws that go with immigration. That is not happening, at least in Texas it is not. I'll type it again if you need me to. You are one stupid son of a beotch. LMAO

At least me and mom knew who my Father was....LMAO> come on this is getting easy......

^^^Look how stupid she is. ^^^

LOL

Let me guess...

Brown eyes and loves beans?

LOL

I knew when I typed it slow it was still going to be too much for you to comprehend. Would you like me to type it again --- never mind, I will - one more time for Jerry's kids - They don't work unless you enforce the laws that go with immigration. That is not happening, at least in Texas it is not.

OK - there you go - read a couple words every few minutes if it is too much at once. And I called Conrad dumber than a retarded box of rocks - my bad - that is you 100%. Sorry Conrad. LMAO.

deflave Miramar, Florida Posts: 12 Greenhorn
April 2019 #73
It's not just hunting either. Social media sites are destroying backpacking, backcountry fishing, boating, etc.

https://forums.floridasportsman.com/discussion/268329/the-decline-of-hunting/p3


Miramar racial composition
(Hispanics excluded from racial categories)
(NH = Non-Hispanic)[9]
Race Number Percentage
White (NH) 10,816 8.03%
Black or African American (NH) 55,386 41.11%
Native American or Alaska Native (NH) 135 0.1%
Asian (NH) 7,708 5.72%
Pacific Islander (NH) 25 0.02%
Some Other Race (NH) 1,381 1.03%
Mixed/Multi-Racial (NH) 3,933 2.92%
Hispanic or Latino 55,337 41.08%
Total 134,721

Bro, you're crushing it.

LOL

Anyway, which schit hole do you vacation in?

Miramar was my rental.

And even Miramar is 100X's better than the schit hole you grew up in.

LOL

That is really funny - mom would have laughed and then wanted to know how many "brown eyes" that dumbass knows from Oklahoma. Keep trying though little boy - there isn't very many more colors to guess. Did your mother have any children she didn't abort?

I'll take that as a "si."

LOL

Flave, AKA CATFISH, Took you awhile to copy and edit your little out burst, Google is your friend. The Border Coalition, made up of ranchers myself included, tried to help with putting up a wall, and controls at established border crossings, The Government thought they knew more about the ranchers land than the land owners did, the Rio Grande is not straight, the border runs down the middle of the river, not on The U.S. side or the Mexican, side, Democrats, with the Cartels control the border county's, and the Smuggling, they own the Sheriffs Offices, All local Police Departments, and Home land security, AKA the BORDER PATROL, ICE, the Government decided they would take a strip 100'wide that turned out to be 300' wide and build their fence, on U.S. Landowners property, in a straight line no reason to follow the river, , the first fences AKA walls would not stop, a pickup, or ATV. but they stopped Farming And Ranching by fencing the land owners with water rights, from the Rio Grande, there was no vote for this abuse by the people that live here and own land here. and their SCHITTY WALL , does not stop anyone or anything from crossing the border.as any one can see.The biggest open land fill in the U.S. is the border, .
As usual you are wrong, but i don't expect more from a government boot licker, .Rio7

Thank you - last schit hole I vacationed in was Florida.

Take it however you can get it. Doubt any is being given....LMAO

Come on bro.

Don't be embarrassed.

LOL

Valley?

Are you saying that your mother had the brown eyes and not your dad?

Are you saying that mother aborted you or wished she had?

Rl lacks the capacity to understand he's losing.
When you shriek at us that walls don't work we know you're a retard.
Stop being a retard.

My mother is most definitely not a fan of Flave.

Yours on the other hand...

LOL

They can't help themselves down there.

They're all inbred dipschits.

meaning your wife's rental

btw, do you know where your wife is?

LMAO - see you let go of flavettes dck long enough to type. Grab a hold and never let go - you could write a song about it...LOL

Candidate Hess: No party has quarter on compassion - Havre ...https://www.havredailynews.com › 2014/02/10 › local
Feb 10, 2014 — deflave writes: ... Every single republican elected in our area has been an intelligent, compassionate, considerate woman.

OMG - you mom told me she was aborting you - I could be your daddy....LOL

Dying words of a loser.

Oh man you're killing me LMAO. Better stop talking to me - your butt buddy is going to get jealous. Crawl back in and zip it up.

Explain to us again how physical barriers serve no function.
Fugging retard.

Though Steve Hornady is a douche imo for the letter, I still shoot Hornady bullets.

Back on the tracks <for now>

Are you that illiterate too? I have already typed it real slow for you losers. I know the sound is muffled with your head up your butt buddies ass but GMAFB - grab a flashlight and at least read.

off the tracks again, but enjoy travis bashing (and Rafer/RL dialogue)

So far you've made schit up and articulated said schit as fact.
We all know you're a Biden voter.
Now hush retard.

deflaves wife must have come home so he's busy rubbing her feet. That's after he puts on the skirt she makes him wear around the house.

correction: sundress, not skirt

Sorry not my intent - be glad to have a conversation -

I think Steve Hornady screwed the pooch. Will it come back to bite him? Don't know but I do know that every time I seen Hornady anything, what he said and did crosses my mind. I haven't bought any Hornady products since - don't plan to throw away what I already had.

See, I can have a reasonable discussion... wanna talk about a wall??? Just kidding my friend.

Nope, no wall talking.........

He said he had to reject your application, which is odd, chicks almost always get in.
If you ask nice, and don't use butt buddy in every post, he may let you start the the Texas chapter.
He seems to get alot of attention from there.

Making sheit up??? Gotta love all you butt buddies quoting the company line "We all know you're a Biden voter". Would you be willing to put your money where your mouth is???? Course I know what you have to take out to do that - sorry flave.... Sooooo prove what you all know - LMAO

Maybe I was wrong twice - Conrad is not dumber than a retarded box of rocks, I might even have overstated Flave being dumber than a retarded box of rocks. But youuuuu are definitely dumber than a retarded box of rocks.

Do you even know what articulated means??? LOL>

And here I thought Rafer was in there by himself -- You guys need new material... LOL

In your case articulate means you spun bunk to represent your opinion as fact.
We all know you're a retard.
You've already lost.
Joined in 03 and only 379 posts.
You're a bored old twat trolling.

It seems RL has come to the conclusion that Trump’s immigration proposals and efforts were 100% effective.

Let’s see if we can get that dumb fugk RIO to concur.

LOL

You ask much of contrary geriatrics.

Already lost what? If we are in a contest to see who the biggest fugking idiot is, then yep, I lost and you won in a 3 way tie.

Come on - tell me again who I voted for...you idiotic dumb fug. Skipped right over the money part didn't you?

After this post, I should have 380 - how about that??? Guess I just not the blathering idiot you are, but trying...LOL

Au contraire - I'm not bored at all - feeding the monkeys is pretty entertaining. LMAO

"Guess I just not the blathering idiot you are".
Time to retire to the rocking chair you old twat.
Lol

Keep trying to give you the benefit of the doubt and you stick your thumb back up your own ass. I thought we already had this discussion - Your first grade reading teacher should be ashamed of herself.

OKKKKKK - tell me again where I said Trump's immigration policies were 100% effective. I'm trying to keep up but sheit - give me a heads up when you are going to make something up.

Here you go #teachmetoread - hope that's not too confusing for you. LMAO

Somebody's sundowning.
Lay down wrinkles.

Catfish, your getting boring, same old Schitt, over and over, come back when you have an original thought. you have a bad case of dumb ass. Rio7

Are you still here??? Wouldn't it be simpler if you just copy and paste what flave says???? You remind me of a little Pomeranian dog - just all yap and nuisance.

What else you got little puppy......LOL

That pretty much sums it all up doesn't it...but look at the entertainment value. LOL

Got many more years to live.
Unlike yourself.

Think I am going to have to get RickBin involved - I have been cheated - I had two posts but didn't get a post count credit for one. Rafer is not going to be happy.....

All that means is you have several more years of being a retarded dumb fugcking idiot. You go girl.....LOL

It means your fixing to die retard.

Could be but it sure is not going to be because of worrying about your insignificant life. LOL

Come on - you ignoring you said that I voted for Biden? Prove it or are you just a blow hard jackass?

Doesn't matter if you're dead before the next presidential election retard. But you present as a Biden voter.

Why should he apologize? And to whom? A few anti-vax morons? Get vaccinated, duh!

[/quote]Come on - you ignoring you said that I voted for Biden? Prove it or are you just a blow hard jackass?
[/quote]
Doesn't matter if you're dead before the next presidential election retard. But you present as a Biden voter.[/quote]


What I figured - all bark no bite - Pomeranian through and through. Stomp your foot and they turn tail. Can't back up your mouth can you - LMAO.

Now that we have determined you are really an idiot, what now? More dying talk? More old man talk? More who voted for who talk? I feel sorry for you - kinda....

It appears that you don't understand how POTUS is elected.

POTUS is elected via the Electoral College, not directly by the popular vote. To become POTUS, a candidate needs to collect 270 EC votes, 51% of the total of 538. Each state is allocated one EC vote for each senator and congressman. California has the most EC votes, 55, while 6 states with small populations and WDC each have 3 EC votes.

To become POTUS a candidate needs to win the popular vote in states that have more EC votes. That is how HRC won the popular vote in 2016, but DJT won more states with a larger number of EC votes, so he became POTUS.

My decision not to vote for POTUS in the Nebraska 2nd Congression District didn't hurt DJT or help JRB, Jr., because of the way Nebraska choses to divide EC votes. Think about the 6 million people who voted for DJT in California, about 34% of the total vote, and he didn't get a single EC vote from all of those popular votes.

I retired from full time work in my 40s so that I would have time to be the managing partner for the company that my wife and I are 60% owners of. While I'm old enough to collect SS, but I chose not to because I don't need any additional income.