Me and a bud went fishing yesterday.When we use his boat I usually drive his truck towing his boat.We always check the trailer lights and did so this time before leaving the boatramp.Around 10:00 pm I was in the fast lane keeping up with traffic when I saw a cop coming up behind me with his lights on.The truck in front of me had been weaving really bad.Im sure he was drunk.I thought the cop was after him.I turned on my right blinker and move to the center lane.The cop moved over also.I said to my bud *#^& I think I am getting pulled over.I signaled again and went to the slow lane then to the shoulder.Yep......pulled over.First thing he says is the trailer lights were out.We both said at the same time but different words......the lights are working......we checked the 20 mins ago.He gets pissed and says....do you think I picked you out of the croud just to pull you over?The my bud opens his door and gets out.I thought the cop would yell for him to stay in but he lets him walk to the back of the trailer.I hear my bud say........the lights are working.The cop then tells me my bud might need help getting the lights to work and I should get out and help.I am thinking WTF?So I get out walk to the back and say........the lights are working.The cop says....your friend must have fixed it then.He never touched anything........THE LIGHTS WERE WORKING DAMN IT!!!!

He tells us to get back in the truck.About this time another cop pulls up.I am getting a little scared.Again we are thinking WTF?The cop talks to the other one and the one pulls away.The first cop comes to the truck with my license and my buds registrations.He never asked who's boat and trailer it is or asks my bud for his ID.Didnt ask if I had been drinking.....I guess it was obvious I wasnt.He let my bud get out of the truck without being asked ........I just think he made alot of mistakes.Plus he stopped us with no probable cause which I thought was illegal and against the my rights.

Should I just let this go?The thing is we cant prove the lights were working...but we know they were.I am pissed!!!!

o/u 5 pages on this one.....

I would let it go - if that was the biggest problem in my life - it would all be gravy.

I'll say it'll go 6 pages, easily.....

Hell, likely 3 pages before 6 tonight....

It might be something to piss and moan about with your buddies but I feel it isn't worth much more of your energies and time after you get the initial anger out of your system! Pick a good fight to win...this one ain't worth it!

Reasonable suspicion for stop, Probable cause for arrest.

Remember the words of the Clash, "Know your rights"

Didja get a ticket? Never said ya did.....

With your attitude REM77, the cop was justified in lighting you and your buddy up with a Taser!!


Sean and Teal....Now I'll take the over!!










REM&&...I was being a smartass! Sorry for your hassle bro'..Not a great way to begin a fun fishing trip with your buddy, but not worth an elevation in your BP either!!

Had a similar thing happen Friday before Memorial Day weekend. I was with my family driving back from Nashville at 9 a.m. on I-840 and the only car on the road. Tenn State Trooper pulls me over and says he clocked me at 85 mph. Only thing was, I had been driving with the cruise on dead set on 70 mph cause it was holiday weekend. Cop also never used his radar as I have an Escort 8500 which never even chirped.

I told the trooper that it was impossible that I was going 85 as I had the cruise on for 20 miles set at 70 mph. He goes back to his car with my license and registration then comes back and repeats that he clocked me at 85. I then reiterate that that is impossible. He starts getting indignant and saying he doesn't care what I have to say because he's not giving me a citation.
Didn't even give me a warning. Obviously he was fishing, for what I don't know, but I was livid for days and wanted to pursue this as it can't possibly be legal but my wife told me to drop it.

I could maybe expect this from some little podunk town cop but a State Trooper? This is the kind of shyt that makes people, that otherwise would respect law enforcement, question if they should be trusted.

Ever think the cop was fishing, too?

Hmmmmm.... boat, trailer, truck, two guys.... I wonder if they've had a couple while on the water today?

Duh....

Still wondering whether there was a ticket?

Yep and it happens everyday..... but not by all cops.... Then again.... The same cops that do it wonder why they get no respect..... and they generally have a chip on thier shoulder.

I have been pulled over before and gotten out of the vehicle before the cop comes up to the window because I have a pistol on the seat next to me (which I have a permit for) and I figured it was safer for me to get out of the car than to have him walk up and see the gun there even though it is legal.... This has happened more than once and some of the replys are "thanks" I understand... and some of them are still smart butts about it.... All depends on who pulls you over. However I still feel it is safer for me to get out and irratate the cops seom than to take a chance with the cop over reacting since I do not trust the cop.

Just my .02

Got a warning about (the lights not workin)

A warning?

Hell, he couldn't prove the lights weren't working then.

As stated, he was looking for fellas who had a few while on the water.

Sounds like no big deal; wouldn't give it another thought, if it was me....

Just saw you are in MD; that explains much......

Sounds like ya think its ok to be pulled over for no reason.........I dont give a chit what he was thinking.

"Know Your Rights"


Number 1
You have the right not to be killed
Murder is a CRIME!
Unless it was done by a
Policeman or aristocrat
Know your rights

You weren't the only one fishin' that day. Certainly no recourse for you, but another PR bumble by LEO... LOL, at the warning for working tail-lights. The ol', "Your buddy must've fixed 'em story"... At least he didn't whack one of the lights with his nightstick, like in the movies!

Never said that.

How do you know that the lights on the trailer didn't blink as you went down the road? Trailer light connections are NOTORIOUS for that (trust me, I've pulled my share).

Probable cause for a stop is all that is needed; light flicker is probable cause. Weaving (even if it's to avoid the maybe drunk guy in front of you) is probable cause. Having probable cause to stop, is easy.

Having probable cause to stop, is easy.
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Actually, these days it's a cinch. My best traffic suppression cases based upon lacking probable cause are merely becoming old memories now!!

Maybe I took it wrong but you wrote "duh"If you reread it likes its typed you can see how I would take it.

And he didnt say the lights flickered.He said ....and I am Quoting "your lights arent working"

So what's probable cause for a single car on the road doing the speed limit in the right lane and not weaving during daylight?

Or is a newer sports car probably cause in and to itself?

I wish attorneys went after bad cops as aggressively as bad Doctors but alas there is more money in the latter.

I know for a fact that trailer lights are finicky. In this case, is the ground through the trailer ball or is there a ground wire? If it's through the ball, all kinds of problems can occur, including sporadic lights. Wires get loose. If a trailer has been in the water, temporary shorts can occur. The light plug to the pickup can wiggle around and temporarily not connect. Occasionally, but not often, the plug itself will go bad and need to be replaced. I've pulled trailers for 40 years and I've seen them all. I'm having a problem right now with the light plug on my pickup. The taillights seem to be on or off at will. I've checked every connection in the thing and found nothing wrong. Often, the best fix is to just rewire that circuit and be done with it and that's what I plan to do.

Don't blame the cop until you have proof that the lights were working ALL the time because in all likelyhood, they were not.

Dick

Yep, the oldest traffic cop trick in the book--usually it's the "your license plate light is not working". Had it happen to me almost 30 years ago--it was working just fine. He checked out the pickup with his flashlight and never issued a ticket.

The police officer was fishing........it's a form of harrasment, but until the law or legal doctrine is changed, they will keep doing it.........

Casey

A good, healthy disrespect of authority is the American way--or it used to before the Sheeple Generation..........

Casey

It may have been a case of mistaken identity, the cop thought you were somone else in any case if you think you were stopped illegaly complain most departments have people who do nothing but investigate complaints against cops. He will have to take time off the street go to a review and explain his actions, it will be noted on his performance evaluation.
Or, if you weren't ticketed for any thing, you could just forget it. Maybe he made a mistake, it happens.

Number 2
You have the right to food money
Providing of course you
Don't mind a little
Investigation, humiliation
And if you cross your fingers
Rehabilitation

Know your rights
These are your rights

Sorry you were stopped but the lights may have not been working. Stuff like that gets loose.

The cop asked you why he would stop you otherwise. Did anything else happen that your not telling us?

Anyway, all is well that ends well, if thats all that happened.

Damn.... I'm shocked this isn't on page 3 or 4 yet....

Fishermen and fops in sports cars are always targeted by good cops. (Isaac...do I get a cut?)

Come on guys, step up.
I have two more verses to post and I don't want to waste them on page one.

Ah yeah, here we go....

A cop in MD told me as he was writing my up,that drug dealers were using boats to haul there drugs in,they think they don't look suspicious.He could tell by the way you and your friend actions that you were on the up and up......

I have problems all the time from cops,here at home and on the road.I have never had a speeding ticket in my 15 years over the road.But cops how are different that they were years ago.Cops years ago became cops to help,to try to make a differance in peoples live.I hate to say this but the crap that puts on a badge now are pusses,they were picked on in school and think the gun and badge makes them a man.This type makes me sick,the county where I live is full of this type of cops......

The only thing diffrent is our perspectives.

I had a wire one time that was loose. When the vehicle was not moving the lights worked fine. When the vehicle started to move the wind would move the wire so that it would not work.

Also, one time a cop pulled me over in a rural area. He said I was weaving across the center line. After he left my friend with me from Ukraine asked me why he said I was weaving when I wasn't. I told him that they can't pull you over in the U.S. without a reason. He may have wanted to find out who I was because I had out of state plates on my vehicle. Also maybe not weaving like a drunk but maybe I did accidentally cross the center line of was on it without realing it.

free bump in hope of a page 2.

oh yeah, fuggin cops!

grin

DUDE.....I did nothing wrong.Why would you ask that?

Had that very thing happen to me not two weeks ago up in New York State, but then again it was 3:30am, I was rolling at about 20mph with the windows down, and listening to the woods as I drove, Texas plates on the car and all.

"Honest Officer, I'm out looking for Whippoorwills".

All I got was a verbal warning, anyhow I'm prepared to cut the Law a little slack on this one

Birdwatcher

Is that what they're callin' 'em now???

Why is it every time I hear someone spout off this garbage, I keep envisioning the one doing the spouting off as being a school bully who had to answer to no one, and now as an adult cannot stand that he now may be put in his place from time to time from people who will not take his chit?

Yep.

Funny how the LE apologists still haven't explained why a State Trooper would pull over a car doing the speed limit and not only lie about clocking them at some outrageous speed, not even have used his radar or Laser in the first place.

The problem as I see it, is good cops should be distancing themselves from these actions, instead of constantly making excuses and protecting the thin blue line. It's this blind loyalty even in the face of evidence that makes juries mistrust the accounts of LE on the stand and in the end hurts the credibility of honest cops and lets criminals potentially get the benefit of the doubt. Sad.

Instead of "it probably was a bad trailer wire" or "I'm sure he had a good reason" just say, "yeah, there's some bad ones out there and they embarrass the rest of us".

I'll get off my soapbox now.

Number 3
You have the right to free
Speech as long as you're not
Dumb enough to actually try it

Know your rights
These are your rights
All three of 'em

Hard to tell if you're describing the common loudmouth or the common County Mounty/State Trooper.

Nothing much going on so I will add to this world shaking event.

Hey, nobody knows what was on the radio. Cop may have been asked to look for truck and boat sort of like yours. Had to make a stop for something. Only got a warning ticket, forgetabout it. Ain't worth the hassle to be mad about. Lordy, the cop may just have been bored and you looked interesting.

Funniest stop I ever was in was because of a license plate light out, sort of.

I had a ton of feed on my pickup and was coming back after dark from the Co-Op. Cold night. This was in one of the old pickups where the lights grounded on the bumper where they plugged in.

Directly the bubble gum machine comes on behind me. I pull over knowing I wasn't speeding, hell my truck wouldn't go that fast.
I get out and walk back. Here is this young kid, DPS Troup all shined up. I would bet it was his first assignment after the got out of cop school.

We go through the license and registration bit. I ask him what I was doing. He says license plate lights not working. I look and sure enough one of them isn't. I kicked the bumper and both came on.

They are now I said. Well, they weren't he says. He kicks the bumper and they both go out. See he says they are out. I kick the bumper and they come back on.

They ain't out, I says.

He kicks the bumper, out again. Yeah, they are he says. I kick, no they ain't I says when they come back on again.

I am getting colder than the dickens so I ask him if I can go get my jacket while we thrash this out. He says ok so I go get it and come back with a screwdriver in my hand.

Troup kind of backs up a step. I ask him to hold his light on my bumper. Pried out the license lights and scraped around the contacts and poped them back in. Both working.

I kick bumber, still working, he kicks bumper, still working.

They were out, he says. Maybe so I say but they work now.

Got to give you a warning ticket he says. Do what every you got to do I says, because I am getting cold. He says he is too and writes me a warning.

We shook hands and parted after about twenty minutes of comedy.

Warning ticket, no big thing. Getting stopped, no big thing either unless you choose to make it so.


BCR

+1. Never really understood why those who enforce the law are somehow exempt from it.

Having said that, I have been stopped several times through the years for crossing the center line, when I knew I had not, for speeding with the speed control set, etc.. Normally have no complaint if the office is polite. Have had a couple that got beligerent when I politely pointed out they were wrong. Never got a ticket at one of these stops though, which pretty much makes me know I was in the right. JMHO TM

Exactly how I feel. A badge and a gun are not a license to be an arsehole or to be dishonest.

Your'e absolutely right...why do you think I look so good?

I am not a one to shy from criticizing LE. In this case, I can see little wrong though. I've pulled a boat quite a bit, and as the others have said, if it's working one time, it might not be the next. As far as I know, there is no "right" to drive. The states consider it a "privilege" and can pull your license for a number of reasons. They ain't tasering or beating you with a billy club, so call it good and move on, what I say anyway.

I remember reading a story once about a woman who noticed a policecar behind her (no lights, just 'behind' her).. She carefully drove toward home for some miles before all of a sudden the lights went on. She pulled over, waited for the cop and asked what did she do wrong. "Nothing," he said, " I pulled you over because you were driving so perfectly that I was sure you didn't have a license."

Yep, probable cause... Geez...

It has been suggested
In some quarters that this is not enough!
Well..............................

Get off the streets
Get off the streets
Run

Believe me if you will, but when I read the title of your post,
I instinctively KNEW you were talking about the People's
Republic of MD! God, but I hate this State and most of the
people who run it (ruin it?). If I didn't have family here and
own property here, I'd drop this place like it was a diseased
rabbit.

I'm not at all surprised by your misadventure. The sheer, pre-
sumptuous arrogance of the MD State Police and the
Montgomery County Police beggar description. One can only hope
that Karma truly does exist; if so, those people are in deep
kim chi.

Funniest episode of Mayberry I ever saw was when Sheriff Taylor made Barney write himself a ticket for making a u-turn.

Just a SWAG, from having been there before...the cop was looking for a vehicle that fit the description. Cops make mistakes. From the sound of it he gave you little problem other than a bogus excuse for why he pulled YOU over...AND he didn't write a ticket...it comes under the no harm no foul rule. Being momentarily detained under such circumstances wouldn't get you squat in court... not even past summary judgement.

If the cop had said he made a mistake, would that have made you feel any better about it, or would you still be really wondering? Think about it. He pulled you over and you were on your way in short order...what would have been the point in that? No search, no ticket, no nothing but a bogus PC reason? Just a cop afraid to say "sorry I got the wrong car." Again, just a SWAG on my part, but I guess he could have had some sinister motive to pull you over and tell you your lights were out, then let you tell him they are working fine. Do cops occassionally use bogus PC to get to stop and search? Im sure they do...I can't think of a single reason to just stop someone for $hits and Giggles.

Finally then I will read you your rights

You have the right to remain silent
You are warned that anything you say
Can and will be taken down
And used as evidence against you

Listen to this
Run

I obviously speak of the common "bully in school, now can't stand to answer to anybody, get pissed off because big bad police officer writes me a ticket or has the audacity to stop me, can't bully the cop, so now I'll go home and kick the dog and beat the wife" type loudmouth. See them all the time.

Either that, or you've got the "daddy's girl" who has been told all her life she can do no wrong, taught that if she squirts a few tears that she'll get her way, and then throws a temper tantrum when that doesn't work. They're the "princesses" with the "gifts" of gold, and cannot handle it when that so called "gift" don't buy them any leverage with a guy who could give two chits.

I swear, if an LEO was accused of breaking a window to rescue a baby from a burning building, there are those in this forum who would have problems with it. Everyone in the world has the right to be innocent until proven guilty, except LEO's, right?

Hey, I've been given bogus tickets before myself. Got pulled over by some bored Kansas trooper once. Said I was doing 75 in a 65. Bullchit. Had the cruise set to 65, and had the speedometer checked by radar before I left on my trip. It was dead nuts on. Then the jerkoff says "I had to do 85 to catch up to you". What the hell does that mean? If I was doing 66 mph, he could have done 100 to catch up to me, don't mean I was speeding. But, you put it together...bored trooper, and an out of stater (won't come back to contest). That equals a ticket from an azzhole. Don't make them all, or even the majority bad. Certainly doesn't make me think all LEOs are azzholes out on some power trip.

And, how many of us here have had an officer pull us over for something we know damn well we were doing wrong, and let us go with a verbal? I know it's happened to me a few times...more times than I've been stopped without apparent cause (which was just the once), that's for sure. Got pulled over last year in Nevada doing 80 in a 65. Wasn't paying attention, and told the officer as much when he asked me why I was speeding. I was polite and courteous, and accepted responsability for my screw up. Told him I was aparently too busy searching out a can of almonds to notice the slower speed limit sign at the top of the hill. What do you know, I was let off with a verbal. Treat an officer with couresy and respect, and he'll likely do the same in return. Get mouthy and be an azzhole, and he'll likely return the favor. Funny how that works....

And one last thing. I doubt there is 1 out of 5 cars on the road that would not have legitimate reason for a traffic stop if I were to follow them for a reasonable distance without the driver being aware of my presence. PC for a stop is pathetically easy to obtain. If you don't believe me, pick up a copy of your state vehicle code sometime and browse through it. You'll be amazed at the number of infractions you probably break without even knowing it. There is almost no reason to ever even need to manufacture a reason for a stop, because they're just not that hard to come by.

Just sounds like the cop lied to me. No excuse for lying in the case as described. If he was too vain to admit he stopped the wrong car, he's too vain. If he's looking for someone else he didn't have to lie about it. All professions have liars, but there should be alot fewer in LE.

Now the cop's a liar rather than the driver being mistaken as to the lights working properly or not? Sheesh!!...What an incredible group of whiners we have here, at times.

Unless you're a cop, you're not privilege to the behind the scenes office and coffee shop conversations that cops have, so trying to guess whether cops are distancing themselves or supporting the action of another LEO is just a guess on your part. Yeah, I've seen, worked with, and fought with cops who make bad decisions. As a whole though, I've been lied to MUCH less by other cops than by the general public. The "it's only wrong if you get caught," or "it's not a lie if that's how I see it," or "F the government, I'll lie under oath if it get's me out of this ticket," attitudes are very pervasive in today's society. Yeah, law enforcement has changed in the last 50 years, but so has society. Liars are liars regardless of their profession. I've got no patience with any of them and am not afraid to speak my mind. I've had folks admit to me that they're always completely honest when stopped for speeding, and have gotten out of several tickets because the cops find such behavior a rarity anymore.

If I've counted right, I've been stopped six times over the last 22yrs. A couple times I was out of line and deserved a ticket that I didn't get through the grace of the cop who stopped me. The other four were BS stops that had me revved up at the time because they were either completely unjustified or simply fishing expeditions that I could understand, but the behavior of the cop was very poor during the stop. My point is, when I hear guys saying here or elsewhere "I get stopped all the time," I think it's time for them to look more closely at themselves and what they're doing to attract so much attention. Are there badge-heavy cops who troll the streets looking for folks to piss off? Yep. Are there citizens who troll the streets with a disdane for traffic law? Yep. Is there a possibility that the trailer wiring was loose? Yep. Is there a chance that the cop made an unlawful stop? Yep.

These "discussions" are usually just a front for a belly-aching contest about cops so I steer clear of most of them. Nobody seems to really be looking for answers, just a place to bitch. Bottom line, those folks who drive like they should will meet fewer LEOs than those who drive like they don't really care. YMMV....

BB,

Its one thing to tell a material lie to make up a charge, its all togther another to make up some trivial BS for a harmless mistake.

Remrug,

I got stopped by a Maryland State Trooper once and got a ticket for exceeding the speed limit.That was in 1964 right in front of our farm and I was speeding.That was my first and last ticket, not that I have always obeyed the traffic laws perfectly in the past 40 some years tho...:)

I was a LEO with Montgomery County for about 10 years when I got out of the service.At the time, that was one of the better, more professional departments in the entire nation.Even then there were line officers I disliked working with as they had an attitude which could provoke a sheep to fight..and usually did.
I spoke my mind to my shift sergeant on more than one occasion.Several of thos thugs moved on to different vocations under poor circumstances.LEO managment and other line officers are not blind to those among them who are poorly suited to the job-profession..it just sometimes takes time, documentation or a very serious incident to weed them out.

I moved on to a different vocation years ago and haven't lived in or been back to Maryland for over 35 years.The reports I hear from folks who do live in Montgomery County now are not very good, but times change..sometimes for the worse..Present Chief Chas Moose was Chief in Portland Oregon prior to taking the job as chief in Montgomer Co Md.
I didn't care for him when he was here and many of those who worked under him didn't either.

In retrospect, you might have simply thanked the officer for stopping you to let you know the running lights weren't working..and asked him IF you could get out to take take a look-see..

Generally, just getting out of the vehicle unless requested to by the officer( particularly at night) will make tensions rise..

He may have allowed you and your friend to talk and to get out and walk to assess your sobriety..A probable long day fishing and two fellows heading home with a truck-boat will yield probably a 30% rate of DUI among drivers in many states.

In most states, any driver may be pulled over.. if for nothing else than to verify valid driver's license and proper registration-insurance...seat belt use, carseats etc etc..

No suspicion or PC is needed..it's a small invasion of our space we all must waive as MV operators if we wish to lawfully operate a MV on the highways.

Anyhow, glad you and your friend weren't at risk for any other matter..and wouldn't hurt to run thru the circuitry of the trailer lighting and stop lamps and connections in the light of day as boat trailer wiring gets alot of abuse from water and bouncing along.
What you saw as a frivolous stop beats getting rear ended at night IF the lights fail intermittently or are faulty...:) Jim

The trailer stop for the light is obviously something that could have been real or he could have been fishing for a couple Bucky's straight off the lake who had a few too many Bud's. We'll never know.

In the example I gave there is no margin for "maybe". The Trooper flat out lied that he clocked me at 85 mph. He had zero reason to pull me over. He was parked under an overpass and had roughly 3 seconds of visual of my car before he pulled out and could not have observed any other offense in that time nor did he use any other excuse. He said "I clocked you going 85 mph" period.
He did not even have his radar unit on, nor did he use any handheld lidar or instant on radar gun. If he really had clocked me, I seriously doubt he's gonna let me go without even a warning for 15 mph over the speed limit with an infant strapped in a car seat on Memorial day weekend, so let's be realistic.

I was courteous as could be as he was a big african american and I wasn't about to give him any excuse to have an attitude. He was extremely rude and when i told him it was not possible for me to have been going 85 mph, he got down right indignant.

I don't care how the public acts, I know there are arseholes by the barrel out there, but when you accept a badge and gun and assume a role of authority you better be honest and at least attempt civility or go work as a bouncer, cause I really don't give a damn if you had a bad day. Don't pull me the fark over for obeying the law if you can't handle being called on an obvious lie.

A dishonest cop is worse than a criminal in my opinion. The authority vested in them comes with responsibility.

And anyone that truly believes that driving is just a privilege and that you should be allowed to be pulled over at any time for no reason is in the wrong country. I'm no Libertarian but thats a real warped sense of what the Bill Of Rights is all about.

As far as bellyaching, if someone in LE on here could honestly tell me why a Trooper would pull me over under the circumstances and lie about it, I'll gladly bow out of this thread.

Maybe he needed to identify you as part of a criminal investigation and they don't want you to know that they're on to you.

.280,

"Its one thing to tell a material lie to make up a charge, its all togther another to make up some trivial BS for a harmless mistake."

I agree with you on a good many issues and we don't see eye-to-eye on others. I'm going to have to disagree with you here. To me a lie is a lie, period, full stop. I won't tell a "little white lie" to save face.

George

Sounds like some stange dream............

The dream police, they live inside of my head.
The dream police, they come to me in my bed.
The dream police, theyre coming to arrest me, oh no.

You know that talk is cheap, and those rumors aint nice.
And when I fall asleep I dont think Ill survive the night, the night

280Rem; Yeah, if you're a liar. And Isaac; one who complains about cops or anyone else getting caught in a lie is a whiner, not the person who recognizes it for what it is...a lie.

No BB...Just the one's who get pulled over by an officer and immediately go into whining rants about the cop being a liar and a puzzy. Who caught who in a lie and who says they were lying...You and Foxbat? Powerful evidence for sure!! You make up sch!t as you breeze along. Because someone said the cop was lying suffices for you? You could sit on one of my juries anytime, man!!

Did you miss my post? I'm not kidding.

Isaac; Like I said, from the information given in the original post, it sounds to me like the cop lied.

Besides, I just read your age in another thread, and you're younger than me; so you can't know as much as I do.

I do seriously hope you aren't insinuating that I am lying.

Too late.

Re-read what you just posted my friend and assess the fairness of that comment.After that, assess the fairness of you buying into it and continuing to argue under the premise the cop was, in fact, a liar. Then, think for just a moment that maybe, just maybe, the connection to the trailer lights were a bit shaky and the wiring/lights didn't constantly stay properly connected.

The cop didn't even venture a request to search the car or the boat, did they? Did you even consider the safety aspect of the stop assuming the connection was bad. That, maybe again, the cop prevented a 6pm news story about an 18 wheeler smashing into the back of the boat.

Of course not, because it already has SOUNDED TO ME like the cop's lied!!!

Just because he immerses himself in scum and dishonorable people as part of his job doesn't give him license to assume that all of us view our word as negotiable.

I do seriously hope you aren't insinuating that I am lying.
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Are you really seriously hoping it or are you asking me if that is what I am insinuating.

'Bout damned time this got to it's second page....

isaac, you have a message.

Been reading but not commenting.

All I ask of a bad stop is to say, hey we were looking for a vehicle like yours, its not this one, sorry have a great day and thanks for compliance...

I was stopped once for speeding in my grandmothers car. Wife was behind me on the way to the hospital to drop it off. No rush, just a normal visit. Both vehicles set on cruise. Both same speed as we followed each other. Both 3mph over the limit. I'm being passed on my right and state trooper flip flops and pulls me over and starts the speeding lecture when I said I wasn't speeding. Got some more lip from him. And then he let me go, warning me again to slow down- of course I said slow down to what speed?? And he graciously walked off. I then called to dispatch to tell them his gun was off. I wasn't so mad as I was pissed that he made a mistake and would not admit it. We were both rolling 63 and he walks up and says I'm doing 83. Nope, sorry. You made a mistake, be honest like I am.

But of course the end result was the same as yours, no harm no foul, no ticket. ( and no common courtesy).

Jeff

The cop let them go w/o DOING anything to assure that the lights would not quit working again; turning them loose at night on the freeway to again be in danger of being run over by an 18-wheeler? I think not, my friend.

Sean...I'm on page 8 with my machine. You and Teal owe me some dough. After being on the Remington site today, I think you and Teal owe me 978.45$.

Thank-you.

I was giving you an opportunity to retract, clarify or explain your misstatement.

Sean...I'm on page 8 with my machine. You and Teal owe me some dough. After being on the Remington site today, I think you and Teal owe me 978.45$.

Thank-you.

Nope, The State Trooper was probably just bored and wanted to talk with someone and you were just the lucky party.... Been there, done that as I've been the lucky party a few times. It gets real boring at times even for the cop and you were just the recipient of his attention.

It's generally been my experience that it all depends on your attitude when you first make contact with that officer as to whether you walk or have a more serious relationship with that officer.

Besides, I just read your age in another thread, and you're younger than me; so you can't know as much as I do.
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Like the cop BB, I was lying my ass off!!

isaac;

Answer your phone, buddy....

Just because he immerses himself in scum and dishonorable people as part of his job doesn't give him license to assume that all of us view our word as negotiable
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Would you be speaking of folks like you who are my client base, dingbat?

Page three here we go................

cause theyre waiting for me.
Theyre looking for me.
Evry single night theyre driving me insane.
Those men inside my brain.

The dream police, they live inside of my head.
(live inside of my head.)
The dream police, they come to me in my bed.
(come to me in my bed.)
The dream police, theyre coming to arrest me, oh no.

Isaac; I don't think you've lied your ass off. Turn around.

lol..but true

So, are we still friends; even though you were wrong?

Just doing my part to get it to page 5....

That logic may work for the lights--please apply it to the 85mph story.

That's good! I'm just trying to get to 1000 posts on this. Isaac has been very helpful.

That logic DOESN'T work for the lights. The cop stops them because their lights don't work; then lets them go with the lights not having been affected by anything other than bouncing down the road? Nope.

He, the cop, should have followed them again after pulling them over to see if the lights were intermittent and not actually working. But like some have already said, they didn't get a ticket and it was a minor inconveniece being pulled over. Are we at 5 pages yet?

No, I can afford better counsel than someone who makes baseless assumptions and insults individuals, in a presumably civil discussion, he doesn't even know.

Hey, I'm with you on that too--just wanted the see how one who doesn't know either could just explain the speeding away too.

I guess if an 18 wheeler rear ended you then, he must of really been hauling #ss.

Bob - I owe nothing - I simply put out the o/u. It's page 2 on mine tho.

Beats the heck out of getting pulled over when you were speeding

I've only been pulled over once when I wasn't doing anything wrong, well other then the road grime had covered up my license plate which I washed off when reminded by the officer. I was polite, the police were polite, and I went about my business.

Considering all the times I have been speeding and didn't get a ticket, I find the minor inconvenience of an unwaranted pull over as a more than fair trade.

Yes I'm all for personal rights, freedom and lack of government interference. I also know life is good and plan to enjoy the heck out of it, even with the minor inconveniences one has, even when it involves government employees.

Right. What did the cop do to ensure that the lights would not quit again, as he alledged they had once allready? Nothing...he sent them on their way into the night to maybe get run over by an 18-wheeler. That's not consistent with stopping them because their lights don't work, and pose a safety hazard.

Bottom line...
A cop can stop me for whatever he wants and say its for whatever he wants as long as I don't get a ticket for doing something I wasn't.

Lots of felony stops are the result of a stop for no real reason, maybe a hunch, maybe boredom, maybe they are having a bad day and feel like being a jerk. We all have bad days.

i cut them a lot of slack for putting on the uniform and taking the chance of having thier heads blown off everytime they walk up to a strange vehicle.

I've know some great cops and some jerks. I've been nailed for offenses i commited and got away with lots more i didn't get tickets for.

Yeah, he'd have to be doing at least 86mph to catch and hit them.

Teal...You do know I was kidding, I hope!!

I do!!!

It's getting so predictable as to which threads are gonna be full of hash....

Mebe I been here too long?

No, I can afford better counsel than someone who makes baseless assumptions and insults individuals, in a presumably civil discussion, he doesn't even know.
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Please do share with me where I insulted you prior to you elevating the rhetoric!

So if one elevates the rhetoric, it's ok to insult them from that point on, or just one time?

What insult?

He can stop me for whatever he want too. I've always been polite with them. Just a guy doing his job, I respect that. It seems like for some time now a lot of them (certainly not all)are down right rude any more. I'm getting old, and have always considered my self a nice guy. I believe in treating others as I would be treated myself. It's extremely difficult to stay composed when some 20 something year old leo is being a butthead, but I've done it, way more than once. A few years ago I was the designated driver at a New Years Eve party. I hauled several intoxicated friends home after the party. The first trip out of there, I got stopped two blocks from the party. The officer did field sobriety on me, then gave me a breath test as well. I blew .00. He also said I was over the center line and my licsence plate lights weren't working. (Before all the testing went on). I'm not bitching about being stopped. I know why he stopped me--You know why he stopped me. OK, But I do have a right to bitch about his lying and his rudeness. I don't care who objects here--it's the way it is.

How many pages are we up to now. Just pitching in my $.02 worth.

HUH?

It's time for my milk and cookies...and my nap.

Well, I cant tell lies, cause they're listening to me.
And when I fall asleep, bet they're spying on me tonight, tonight.

cause they're waiting for me.
They're looking for me.
Every single night they're driving me insane.
Those men inside my brain.

To read that literally would leave you to believe that you didn't insult him before he elevated the rhetoric but did so after (unsaid).

That's the insult he is talking about IMO

I used to be an Interpretive Ranger for the Park Service. In our break room was one of those cardboard "honor" candy dispensing boxes. There were 40 or 50 people who had access to it. Every time it would be $1.00 or $2.00 short. Boy, would we get a nasty note taped on that thing by the Chief of Administration's secretary--every time. I used to throw an extra buck in there once in a while to chill her out. One day I was in the break-room when the candy guy came to refill it. He laughed at the note and said we had the best box anywhere that he had them. He said the worst one was at the police station in a nearby town. He said often he found that box empty without a dime in it.

True story--that aught to light them up.

Boat guys leaving the lake are often drunk. I don't think they need any probable cause to pull you over any more. The random traffic stops prove that.

By Foxbat
"Just because he immerses himself in scum and dishonorable people as part of his job..."
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If my calling the man "dingbat" after the above comment was made, is insulting to him, then let me offer one big resounding
"tough sch!t".

The good news is: The Steenkeeng Copper practiced catch and release and no dogs were harmed in the process. (Must have been a slot limit) The bad news is: This thread will not last much longer... Unless someone can find a 95 year old tazing victim to breathe some life into it (The thread).

I know - I was simply trying to do 2 things:

1. show what he meant
2. push this to more pages

Mission superbly accomplished!

But I helped!!!

I have to say I have actually been on both sides of this. I have pulled people over who actually made eye contact with me as they blew a stop sign and swore to me thats not what I saw them do, that I was a liar. I have pulled people over for speeding that were blowing the doors off of traffic around them, 50% over the posted speed limit which I could well estimate without the use of radar but had that to confirm it, and they told me I had the wrong car. I had just observed them, clocked them with a radar device, ID'd them and the car, and never lost sight of them before pullingin them over, yet they'd tell me that I didn't KNOW what my eyes had just seen, and some even believed it...in fact a large number actually believed they weren't speeding, running the stop sign, etc. I NEVER pulled anyone over just to do it. I did it to give them a ticket or warning, to arrest them, because they were suspicious in some way or fit a BOLO description, but NEVER just to make a stop, tell a lie, and then move on.

OTOH, I was in a car with a buddy who got pulled over and the stated reason was for "speeding". I wasn't driving...no reason to lie...he'd litterally just pulled off a side street on to a 4 lane with a speed limit of 40...he hadn't reached the speed limit yet when the cop turned around on him as we both noticed and in unison said "What's this M-Fer want?"...AND the look on the cops face when he asked my buddy where he worked was priceless. We were both police at the time...and the cop KNEW, and HE KNEW WE KNEW HE WAS BALD FACED LYING...IT WAS THE END OF THE STOP WITH A "GOOD DAY". My buddy was not let go because he was a cop and had gotten away with anything...he was let go because he was a cop that got stopped by a lying cop. Or could have been that we fit the description of some BOLO and he told that little lie...don't know. But the stated reason was bogus, but still, in the end, HARMLESS!

So it happens both ways...Personally, I pulled over people that fit descriptions but wasn't the suspcect person/vehicle...I told them so and let them go. Occassionally I'd lose site of speeder, and find a car that I thought was the one I'd clocked...only upon approach to the driver did I find I'd pulled the wrong car over, and can tell you for sure that I pulled the wrong car over on a couple of occassions, and I told them why, and I let them go. I'm sure I became a similar story to these told here among those people, and no explination would suit them even though they weren't ticketed...I was: "A lying cop pulling someone over for no reason." In fact what I was was a cop that made an honest mistake, took a couple of minutes of their time because of my mistake, and let them go without a ticket.

Finally there's the "cop's hunch" stop. A hunch is not enough to make a stop, BUT there's not a single driver that can drive a half mile and not commit SOME objective traffic infraction that will give legal rise to a traffic stop. And that, by SCOTUS case law is the standard...the officer's subjective reason is of no importance...its the objective reason that counts and as long as they can articulate reasonable suspicion or probable cause, then the stop is good if they're tellin the truth.

I can say this with absolute certainty, as a driver, I've NEVER been pulled over for a bogus reason, and I log a bunch of miles every year and have for a long time. EVERY single time I have been pulled over as a driver, it was 100% because I was doing what they said I was doing.

Had a cop give me a failure to yeild ticket. Only thing was that I was the only person on the road. I tried to fight it in court but a 16 year old doesnt stand much chance.

Also had another pull me over to give me back a few bags of clothes wich blew outta the bed of my truck on the way to give them to Goodwill. Didnt say nuthing bout it except that he had some stuff that I lost an wanted to know if i wanted it back

Come on, Isaac. You implied I was either lying, or my word questionable, then you were evasive when I gave you an out.

He was pointing out your word is no better or worse than what the cop said, other than you claim it here to be the truth.

Had a cop put me on the ground because my answer didn't make him happy.

I was attending UW-Oshkosh. I exited a liquor store and started the walk back to my apartment to enjoy my 2 bottles of Jagermeister.

Officer rolls up:

5-oh: "What's in the bag?"
Me: "Groceries"
5-oh "What kind?"
Me: (knowing he had seen me come out of the liquor store) "Dinner"
5-oh puts me on the turf - opens the bag and searches for my ID - determines I am 21 and lets me up.

Me: "So what other rights other than the 4th ammendment are we going to violate now?" (crowd had gathered - I felt cocky)
5-oh "I didn't violate anything!"
Me: "Bullschit - you had no reason to suspect I was underage as you watched me purchase it from that liquor store, they must have checked my ID - even if you did had you simply asked me to produce ID before using excessive force to get my ID - you would have gotten your answer. All of this seems very unreasonable - from the stop to the way you handled it officer (last name here)"
5-oh "Nope - have a nice day"

Wrong of the cop to do so they way he did? IMO yes. Make a big deal - nope - embarrass the hell out of him in front of about 20 people - yep.

UW-O has a history of overbearing police activity - one that is WELL known by the student body but I let it slide.










There that should put us into at the least 1 more page. I did look young - heck I got carded last night at the bar - I am 30 for Pete's sake.

All those witnesses, and you didn't file a complaint? You KNOW the cop was wrong...what did YOU do?

Nope - I didn't. Wasn't worth my time. Like I said the campus police had a history of being over zealous. All I would be is branded a troublemaker.

I was 21 - barely interested in school at the time and it didn't seem like it would make a difference.

I believe in karma - I can only hope he is a crossing guard somewhere.

A while later there was a shooting in Oshkosh and the local police went door to door searching for guns without a search warrant. We talked about it here IIRC. That's the mentality - besides I was more worried about losing the booze - not nearly as savvy to what I should have done with the situation either.

As far as the catch and release thing goes, and cops fishing, Once I was pulled over in Ft Collins CO by a female leo for speeding. I never saw a sign but I was going exactly the same speed as a bunch of other cars around me. So I figured it must be the speed limit? I was off about ten miles an hour--we all were--but she caught me. She was very nice, and even told me a joke when I asked her why she picked me out of the crowd. She said "You look like you might be a fisherman". (Whatever that means?) "Yeah", I said, "I like to fish". She said, "Well, did you ever go fishing and catch all the fish?" We both laughed at that. I paid my ticket. I don't mind those kind of cops or those kind of stops.

I had the audacity to walk off campus (crossed a 2 lane street), purchase 2 bottles of Jaggie (for my mini fridge in the living room of my apartment), and walk back onto campus with a brown paper bag.

This would be a good place to discuss phychopathic liars as there are some people who will say anything without regard to there effects. My brother is one of those people that no matter the outcome will just tell another lie and has no regrets about telling them. When you have him nailed down he just says he didn't say that. I just don't ever talk to him as I know if it is more then a five minute conversation he is going to lie.

Well, it ain't a Tazing, but pretty good anyway. The "You MUST comply" attitude of some of the fellers in blue is a large part of the we vs they stuff, these days. Coulda, woulda, shoulda, filed a complaint with that many witnesses, but the PITA to do it was prolly not worth making yourself a target to him and his buds... There's hope for this thread yet. You'll soon be called a liar, that oughta get things rolling again!

Damn it's been 9 years and now you got me all pizzed off about it.

Call me a liar all they want but I already done 1 polygraph - another don't scare me none......

BTW that mini fridge was all of 11 feet from the one in the kitchen - difference was I could sit in the recliner and never get up to make a drink. Always had 2 bottles of Jagermeister with a 12 pack of Coke or DrPepper in there.

Zabba search his ass & introduce yourself again... Prick is probably chief of police now.

The cop is not involved in this discussion. If you tell me something while we are having a beer at a hunting lodge, I will take your word for it, unless there is reason to doubt the veracity of the story or you are a known liar. To imply that someone's word is questionable without reason is rude. A website such as this is not unlike talking in person, civility and tact should still apply.

I try to sleep, they're wide awake, they wont leave me alone.
They don't get paid to take vacations, or let me alone.
They spy on me, I try to hide, they wont let me alone.
They persecute me, they're the judge and jury all in one.

COME ONNNNNNNNNNNNN page 4..........

How many posts can POSSIBLY fit on one page!?!?

We make page six and I'm starting "cocaine blues" J. Cash.

are you guys still talking about this?

I've gotten a couple speeding tix in my time but got pulled over once (doing nothing wrong) and was glad to be let go after a few questions. See my avatar -- that was a NM hunt on White Sands the spring after 9-11. It was hot so I had a large cooler in the back of the pickup and one of those indoor/outdoor thermometers attached to the tailgae side of the box. To a cop, it would look just lika a bomb . Pulled me over, "what's that?"
"a cooler..." "got any guns in the vehicle?" "yes, several" "why?" "Oryx hunt on the missile rang" "that's cool, always wanted to do that. drive safe" end of story. Given the political climate at the time, he coulda may my life hell for a while.... he never did look in the cooler........

I go 50 a page....

Which, I believe, is the premise of this thread; We are commenting on what remrug77 told us. My original post is based on what evidence we were presented with; not speculation on the part of someone who wasn't there.

I can keep this thing stirred up. Just watch.

Miranda is a Supreme Court sanctioned jobs program for unemployeed lawyers!

What is probable cause? A car dealership plate seen on the road after 11:00 p.m.

A pickup pulling a boat leaving a lake after dark.

Long hairs anytime and anywhere.

Any vehicle moving at 2:05 a.m.

Being black in a white neighborhood.

Red necks in old pickups anytime or anywhere.

A paper sack in a college kids hands coming out of a convenience store.

One in 10 drivers is under suspension. Traffic stops 1 through 9 is just a numbers game looking for number 10.

All LEO's like looking dumb in front of your wife and kids by making bogus stops.

Is this a good start? Did I leave anything out? I hate to see this thing end after only 6 or 7 pages. kwg

You did good!

Technically, with 50 posts per page, we're still on page 3.

Actually, he left out one factoid. I won't mention it, because in my opinion, the rhetoric has not been elevated to that point. Just as well. It's been fun and I hope you've learned something from all this.

if you want to know what being hasseled by traffic cops really is drive a semi for a living, as soon as you get a CDL you surrender even the right to demand a searh warrant for your truck when stopped plus they dont need probable cause either.

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That's a lie!

I resented that at first too, Isaac. But then I realized he wasn't talking about us.

Interestingly, and in order to add a post to keep this thing rolling, we installed video cams in most of our cruisers and most of the "He stopped me for no reason" complaints stopped after the first year of reviewing the tapes with the complaintants....Word got out that we had them and the bogus complaints stopped....Not saying that every complaint has gone away, but about 95 percent of the time when the tapes are reviewed, the compalintant goes away....Several times kids have gone home and told great stories to their parents, who come down in a rage right up until the tape is shown of little Johnny doing just what the officer has alleged....The current videos are really nice...the officer can not erase them as they are digital on a hard drive and start 30 seconds before the stop, so almost always the reason for the stop is captured....

I got worked over a bit when I was a smart mouth seventeen year old by a Texas Deputy. SOB was a distant relative too. I wised off and he taught me some "respect for the law"
Years later when I wasn't a kid and he wasn't a cop we danced again. He learned something about "respect for a long memory"

The final straw in my decision to become a cop came at the hand of a corrupt, small county, law enforcement agency. They are all in federal custody now.

I have found that "idle hands are the devil's workshop" when it comes to law enforcement. While there are literally hundreds of thousands of big city cops, state troopers and small town cops are much more likely to be "bad".

Do they ever lie?

Course that can cut two ways. Perhaps officers are less likely to pull someone over for a BS charge if they are on camera. I personally wish that was mandatory in every jurisdiction. For the Officers sake and the public's.

I already answered that. My units are in the business of investigating organized crime and dope. It is quite common for us to use patrol officers to stop suspects and identify them, then direct them to tell them they were stopped for a traffic offense. Do they have probable cause? Absolutely. Do we lie and tell them the stop was for something else? Absolutely.

It is mandatory everywhere in the State of Texas.

Interesting. I would have thought Troopers were a cut above. Guess I got spoiled in Florida where most of ours were pretty fair. In Florida you only worry about municipal cops for this stuff, the County Sheriffs and Troopers in my opinion are pretty decent.

That's good for everyone IMO.
My wife's assistant is a former Atlanta cop and she said that in Georgia they must show you the radar readout if you ask. I am curious to find out if that is the case in Tennessee. That is something that should be mandatory as well. Hell if my wife goes into court on a malpractice case without an xray, the judge ain't taking her word, why should a word alone be good from a cop? Make video and printouts of radar/lidar mandatory. All this stuff goes away.

ltppowel,

You said it just right...the small town/county cops/deputies that have to "make work" are the ones to fear usually. Those that don't have to look for something to do are usually better to deal with.

BB,

If you want to get to brass tacks...the SCOTUS says police can lie to obtain a confession. Certainly they can lie about why they stopped you if they don't ticket or arrest you.

That's all I said, it sounded like the cop lied.

And your point is?

Have you ever read my signature?

Now that'sa a Colorado Boy!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Casey

I absolutely hate that ruling--classic neo-con thinking.......it goes against every American value in my opinion.......

Casey

One of the most (worst) pro law & order towns in Colorado......don't get me started.....

Casey

I understand why you like little boys. I really do. Tell me about you,and your nephew, so I can help you.

Like that?

What?

Wait, I get it.......I think..........

Casey

Those are the kind of lies LE need to tell.

So when a cop says to Johnny Child Molester/Murderer: "We have the forensic evidence, we just need to hear your side." When they don't have $hit, but it gets a confession and information leading to the evidence...you're against that?

I would laugh at you if you tried that child-psychology on me. Do people really fall for thatkind of questioning?

Everyday!

...and did I tell you we already got a statement from your wife?

Yeah Casey, the SC in Frazier v. Cupp, 394 U.S. 731, 1969 were classicly neo-conic in obtaining that confession in a gruesome murder case. I just can't believe the cops told the co-defendant that his co-conspirator POS buddy already confessed to obtain his own confession. That really gnaws at my whole being. My personal American values were all shot to hell after that trickery. Those classic neo-con pricks are at it again keeping those murderers off the streets.

Send in a bunch of e-mails to your Senators on that one to ensure more Justices like that don't get on the SCOTUS!!

Despicable!!!

Kinesics is fun too:

Cop: Do you have any drugs or guns in the car?

Traffic stop guy: "No" (as he looks at the glove compartment telling you where you need to look to find what you're after)

Cop: Do you mind if I look in the car?

Traffic stop guy: "Sure go ahead" (knowing there's an A felony amount of contraband in the car that will get him many years in prison)

Yes it happens ALL the time.

Your buddy already told us he shot the clerk, we just need to hear what your role was.

Damn Isaac...I know you didn't know what I was typing.

Up to a point yes. It is about government power, or "bending" of rights. Don't get me wrong, I have a lower than normal tolerance for assault of any kind, the children kind and pure bully kind especially--but I have a very low tolerance of government power too............have to balance those two things

Casey

You know what's wrong with that? I've seen it done too many times just as you describe it, on television. If some dumb sob was guilty of something and you said that to him, it seems he would know you were not telling the truth, because they show just exactly that on tv all the time.

I've often thought that tv cop shows educate badguys to the methods of cops. But not being a badguy, I don't know...

I know, and I can never figure that out........

Casey

Pat,

Very good posts. I reckon your guys have no problem following you through a door.

Uhh...maybe they're STUPID.

Woot, page 6 on my puter.

Let's try for 7!

one more to hit 3100.

Thanks Mac, but I try to take the back of the house these days. I always tell 'em they can have me investigating...or part of the investigation.

Damn Isaac...I know you didn't know what I was typing.
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Great minds and all....grin!

Feel better?.....

Don't forget to salute the Republican flag when you hit "submit"...........

And that ruling has been interpreted and reinterpreted and dumbed down to rationalize a lot more "crimes"--give the big governemtn neo-cons an inch, and they'll take a mile--just like the big government socialists.....

Casey

I'm flattered!

Isaac, I think you just got officially "called out".

You guys have given me a little bit of insight as to why a good cop may be lying to people when I may not have thought it was justified. Thanks for that.

And I'm going to completely forget that left-out factoid I mentioned earlier...there, I feel better.

remrug77; If it's any consolation, you were lied to; but the guy was probably just practicing for the real thing.

Thanks BB, now I'll concede that he probably just ran into a bored pryck.

Stirring a bit... Cop could have done that in my earlier case. IE running 3 over but "clocked" way over that, and being passed at the same time and in the wrong lane.

Wanted to ID me and then get on with it. But what about the point its a trooper I know and see on a day to day basis with my job and one of his patrol partners has shot a LOT of competition with me?

I'm certainly not under investigation...

Just admit it was a mistake and don't lie about it... or don't get mad if I decide to lie then?

Jeff

And that ruling has been interpreted and reinterpreted and dumbed down
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You shouldn't have spent so much time on the dumbed-down version!

One of the few cop shows that ever got cops NEAR right was "Homicide" 'Life on the Street'. In one episode they did a "documentary" type, and Andre Brauer (sp?) had this line something like: "the sign in the lobby says Homicide Division, why in the hell people will come in here and confess their souls is beyond me, but they do, every day...what do they think we do here?"

I swear, on the street, consent and confession (obtained more by by old school cops that knew the gift of gab) is/was so much more common than people think! People will let you search their cars KNOWING full well what's in there will ruin their lives...and I can't explain it either, but it takes little more than asking in the right way in most cases. Confessions are much the same.

It's the dumbed down versions that concern me........

Casey

280; Stockholm Syndrome? Or knowing you could search their car anyway if you lie and get a warrant...

"I have found that "idle hands are the devil's workshop" when it comes to law enforcement. While there are literally hundreds of thousands of big city cops, state troopers and small town cops are much more likely to be "bad"."

Couldn't agree more. The concept of Staties being a cut above went out with preference points for being a different ethnicity and sex.

Lying to get a warrant: Illegal

Lying to get consent: Legal

Big difference.

OK..I'll play along for a short bit. Give me one dumbed down version your concerned with. Don't wait 10 minutes so you can quickly Google search something. Give me one appellate dumbed- down version of a criminal case that causes you concern.

The injustices of family law court don't count!! This is not a good time for you to complain about your unconstitutional 150 dollar support payment!

That's why the grin.

Actually, they think if they say yes, you'll just say "oh never mind.".

Yeah,... well,... if ya say "no", they bring this mean ass dog in and let him sniff around on ya car, and if he runs at ya and starts eatin' on ya leg afterwards they call it probable cause and search it anyway.

So,.... you got two choices. Let the cops search ya car while ya gettin' et on by a dog,... or let 'em search ya car while ya just stand there.

cause theyre waiting for me.
Theyre looking for me.
Evry single night theyre driving me insane.
Those men inside my brain.

The dream police, they live inside of my head.
The dream police, they come to me in my bed.
The dream police, theyre coming to arrest me.

Bristoe,,,you are absolutely correct. How I solve that potential problem is by making sure there ain't anything in my car that the dogs can smell. Consequently, I keep my stash in Casey's car!

I'm convinced 70% of criminal charges would not occur if people didn't drive!!

Not if you know your rights, and the cops respect them.

That's like sayin', "Not if you can afford a lawyer".

Appeal?! Why bother to appeal? How much money will it cost to appeal in the (formerly justice) legal system?



Why not?



I'm not--'cause I don't pay...........

Change--nor improvement--is never going to come from the insiders, political, legal, or otherwise.

Several decades ago, another independent minded 'ol boy I worked for used to say: "Give people their cars, houses, color TV's, and they'll trade away everything else" Kind'a along the same vein as Ben Franklin's security vs liberty thing.

With all due respect Bob, you're not the stuff of change--too much to risk.......instead you'll defend the status quo.

I've been in the sun all day, I'm hot, tired, and hungry--keep it up and I'll really make you mad..........

Casey

Besides,... we ain't got no rights no more.

Bush said that us havin' rights would lead to terrorist attacks and revoked all of 'em.

,... yeah,... said the Muslims attacked us 'cause of our freedoms and chit,.... so he took 'em all away,.. said that would fix it.

Yep.....two white guys in their 40's with sunburn just robbed a liquor store.Driving a 06 Toyota trailering a 16 ft blue boat WITH WORKING TRAILR LIGHTS.

Come on........it was an illegal stop.No more no less.

I've been in the sun all day, I'm hot, tired, and hungry--keep it up and I'll really make you mad..........
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Nothing can knock this grin off my face!

Casey is one of the few peers you will ever meet who has never--never--"experimented" with mind altering substances......Wait--does Copenhagen count?......how about Coors?

You're right about driving.....then again, want to discuss government "licensing" everything?...........talk about dumbing down.......

Casey

MADE IT,

Everybody now.....


Early one mornin' while makin' the rounds
I took a shot of cocaine and I shot my woman down
I went right home and I went to bed I stuck that lovin' 44 beneath my head

I ain't "experimented" with 'em either,.... I mean,.. you know,... they wasn't a laboratory in the vicinity at the time, or nuthin'.

,... make it sound like they gotta be a scientist present ta smoke a joint,.......

Bristoe...Quick aside and I am sorry folks

Check your music library and check out the music by a guy named Keb Mo. Wanted to tell you before I forgot again!

Carry on fellas.

If we hurry we can make 6 pages before midnight!

COPS SUCK, DEFENDANT'S SWALLOW!

I seen a twist on that one too.

Back in my college days we got stopped near Laramie. They didn't even ask if they could search our pickup. A second cop car pulled up with this "pup" maybe 9 or 10 months old, and led him to the vehicle and unleashed him. He ran around wanting to play. they opened the truck door and let him in there. He ran around in there playing and looking out the windows. In the mean time the cops were watching him saying, "Did you see that he indicated under the seat. Did you see that, he indicated the glove box. Did you see that, he indicated the visors. Then they lifted him in the back--guess what he indicated the tool box. then they let him out and he ran around playing in the barrow pit. Me and my pard were saying that dog didn't indicate anything--he just looked like a pup having fun. "Yeah, we say he was indicating stuff, so now were going to search". They did, of coarse there was nothing in the truck to incriminate us. I could of told them that and even would of let them look without all the theatrics.

When they were all done I told them, "Look now he's indicating that something's in your car".

I've heard the name,....

Probably tooking for two BLACK guys in their 40's with sunburn just robbed a liquor store.Driving a 06 Toyota trailering a 16 ft blue boat WITH WORKING TRAILR LIGHTS.

What the cop did was go speeding past us then made a U turn.Never once did he follow behind us.

Mine says page 22..........

Casey

'least he didn't chit innit,.....

I'll throw in another New York event from my recent road trip...

Busy four lane highway through an incorporated Township, I'm down to running on fumes, like we shoulda run out of gas five miles back, clearly at the last intersection we should have turned left.

A break in traffic, I pull a quick u-turn, not ten seconds later the ol' familiar red and blues lit up in my rear view mirror. Busted fair and square, like death and taxes, one of them things, my turn to support the township...

I right away pull into a parking lot and shut off the engine, both hands in sight, window down. Cop pulls up alongside, a township Cop in an unmarked cruiser, he presses the button to lower his passenger-side window and says...

"I know you know better than to pull a u-turn on a busy highway, where ya trying to get to?". Then he gives me directions. He drove by later as we were getting gas. Near as I can tell, a good Cop keeping an eye on things in his town.

And no, I wouldn't have thought different if he wrote me a ticket. Back in my motorcycle period I used to talk to Cops regularly (and a good thing Texas didn't have a point system ).

Rude Cops? Lying Cops? Pardon, I teach public school in a big city, the Cops I've dealt with ain't even scratched the surface...

Birdwatcher

I wish, just wish, they would do that with my Aussies setting on the toolbox under the camper shell sometime...."Sure officer, tell your dog to stick his nose into the back window of the pickup--I may have some bags of extra meth still laying around back there"........

Casey

He would've if my Auusies got a'holt of him.........

Casey

Good way to end up really sad with a couple of dead dogs.

Lewis-Their giving you somehing heavy duty for your injuries right?

Yepper...That would be a good strategy!! Just Taser them. That thread would even beat the hell out of this one.

I wish,
I figure I am about as serious as this thread needs.

Is that typical of cops............the police officers insurance company would be a lot poorer--that is if I couldn't find out where they lived.......eh?

Casey

I'd like to ablige ya Isaac, but bad dogs ain't worth a $15 taser cartridge...even if I ain't paying.

About 100 percent of bad guys drive to and from crimes...about 100 percent of illegal drugs are in vehicles on highways at some point. Almost all kidnappers, rapists and murderers are in a car at some point...why is it so hard to understand that good cops stop cars for reasons other than to ticket the driver...it is called a pretexual stop...I see a guy with a warrant driving and roll a stop sign, I don't give a rats ass about the stop sign violation...I wanna arrest the guy....I see a guy i know has been pinched for drugs and I have a LAWFUL REASON to stop him, I stop him...It isn't always the traffic I want, it is many times something else....(However, I don't stop without a lawful reason....It isn't hard to make legal stops on just about any car....)

Did you mean could?

The problem is, arrogant lawyers are worth even less than bad dogs....

Casey

that is if I couldn't find out where they lived
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The police officer's insurance company?

not hardly

huh?

No. The insurance company would be the alternative.......

hmmmmm,.....

In the words of Barak...please elaborate.

While the numbers of stops actually increased during this time, the number of complaints went down, and like I said the first year or so the complaints kept coming...After the camera news got passed around the bogus complaints stopped....

Nothing better than showing a drunk driver himself on video before a trial.....That usually ends the case....

If I misunderstood you I apoligize. If not........

Casey

You bet Sarge! Cops were a little scared of them at first, 'till they realized it saved their butts over and over.

Got up next mornin' and I grabbed that gun took a shot of cocaine and away I run
Made a good run but I run too slow they overtook me down in Juarez Mexico

I don't know if you did are not. If you surprise cops with dogs that frighten them they will kill them quickly...every time. Just business.

Guys that do the job right love em...those that don't don't last too long....

Yep.

The problem is, arrogant lawyers are worth even less than bad dogs....
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Are not!!

I'm outta here...it's Summer and the egos are blooming.

Hmmmmm...is right. Of course, about 100% of criminals are inside their home at some point. About 100% of drugs are inside of somebody's home at some point. About 100% of drugs are used inside a home at some point.

I know! Let's have the law-and-order-defend-the-status-quo crowd do traffic stops in our living rooms......"got a government issued operators license for that remote control boy?"........"When you got up from the couch I seen your tail light was out"......"Hey!, the dog got a hit from out here on the curb, bring him in through the garage to the living room"


Privacy, privacy....home, automobile--same difference--just more government.

Casey

I had something near that happen with the G&F once. I was sitting on the bank of this little lake fishing. I had drove around to the back side so I wouldn't near anyone else (better fishing over there anyway). I had taken a great big Dobey that I used to own with me that day. He was as nice a dog as you could ever meet, but he didn't like surprises. We were just sitting under a shade tree waiting for our bobbers to bounce when the Dobey jumps and lunges past us. About 20 feet or less behind me, he's got this lab by the throat on his back and this wardens hollering, "Get him off!!!". I did, the lab wasn't even hurt, he had just been pinned. The warden said, "You can't have mean dogs out here". I said "If he was mean your dog would be dead". By now he was noticing that the Dobey and the Lab were becoming friends, and let it go. He checked my licsence and my catch and told me, "Yeah, I saw that dog laying there in my spotting scope before I came down here. I guess I'll have to think twice about who I sneak up on in the future". In the end he turned out to be a pretty nice guy--his Lab probably smelt a little pissy on the way home though.

Then they shouldn't be sticking their [bleep] dogs nose into my truck--because they would never had cause in the first place.

We need more of the Alabama's style "they needed a killin' defense with the big government supporters.

Casey

Well, there are really bad dogs that needed a killing'.....and there are really bad lawyer's........

Casey

OTOH, a couple of well-behaved, obedient dogs can defuse tension most every time, and often start a conversasion. Most folks, including Cops, like good dogs. Maybe they are de-facto character witnesses.

Birdwatcher

I'll be darned,the first time I ever cut loose on here and it automatically gets bleeped out.......will wonders never cease..........

Casey

Good Lord, ....leave youze on yer' own for a coupla' days, and yer' on the fight.

.......though I do recollect that sokmeone forecasted that this thread would run long, and collect this sadly typical "LEO vs. Joe Blow" baggage, in flight.

Where, in the plu-perfect hell did DOGS get into this......and No, I'm not going to read back through all the previous grieving.
......real simple, this,......good folks behave like good responsible citizens......and are treated accordingly, by good Peace Officers.

Kwap Sakes, if yer' lookin' for real criminals, ....one can be found on 'most any street corner, .....NO?

This trailer lights blinkin', or not deal....is not a worthwhile expenditure of our hard earned,.....when the same energy coulda' been spent, ....catchin' a real no - goodnick.

They are, as far as I can see.....everywhere.

Least, around here's.

GTC

Wasn't there a thread lately that said get the bad guy outside the home cuz we don't like warrants in the house...wait til the guy leaves.....lets have it both ways....
Timothy Mc Veigh was caught on a traffic stop...so were several mass murderers....

Then they shouldn't be sticking their [bleep] dogs nose into my truck--because they would never had cause in the first place.
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But a couple of posts ago you invited the officers to have their dogs do that very thing. Meth and all...remember? Get your blood sugar in check dude. You're having brain wobbles!!

Late in the hot joints takin' the pills in walked the sheriff from Jericho Hill
He said Willy Lee your name is not Jack Brown
You're the dirty hack that shot your woman down
Said yes oh yes my name is Willy Lee if you've got the warrant just aread it to me
Shot her down because she made me slow
I thought I was her daddy but she had five more

Yep, one loses a lot of rights when they step into a automobile. I speculate it would not have been if automobiles had been around in the 1780's......but the big government supporters will defend whatever government tells them too......

Casey

I'm just having fun! Some true charactor beginning to show. Always fun to refer back to when they sober up!

I don't recall,.... but it didn't take long for a cop to say that he'd shoot 'em.

Campfire member: I gotta dog.

Cop: I'll shoot it!

Campfire member: What about my cat?

Cop: Shoot that too!

No rights were violated on Mcveigh...

You idiot, I rarely drink either.......

Ok, Ok, its easier to get wound up than relive previous discussions anyway, so I'll stop.

I have until the end of September to sue a particular lawyer anyway--need to start tending to business........

Casey

Tazers work better on cats. Makes 'em glow.

Bristoe...I think you started the doggie thing!

Cats are hard to hit.....22 works better than a taser....cheaper too....

Nope, it was the salute the government crew that brought to its low point.........

Casey

I'm back! Are we talking about pets, or doing it Lawyerstyle?

I have until the end of September to sue a particular lawyer anyway--need to start tending to business
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Do it Pro Se so you can learn all about summary judgments again!!

Carry on....Got to work tomorrow....

I will go to my room now, abject, and humbled by the "Majesty" of the law.

Yup, .....right.

GTC

Yep, the government says we don't have any rights in the automobile.....so we salute the government and carry on--isn't that correct lawyers-cops?

Casey

Wow...you are paranoid. I didn't say anything about you.

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Weak on the facts once again, Casey!

I'm catching hell from the lawyers, and I ain't even in the quotes--is that a good thing or a bad thing?

Mess with me just a little more Bob--and Ill be a Kahuna before you know it.....then you're really in trouble

Don't hit me with the weak on the facts thing--as soon as you were corrected on your Paris Hilton claims you bailed outta that thread....

Casey

Uh..Casey...I think it was me who corrected you on the 2 DWI's remember? You soon back-pedalled afterwards. Shall I redirect you to your error?

Only if you simultaniously direct yourself to the claim of 1 DWI and no other violations....

I did confuse the probation violations with a 2nd DUI.....and in unlawyer-like fashion corrected myself....

Casey

And I'm still trying to figure out where I fit into this post.....

Casey

Only if you simultaniously direct yourself to the claim of 1 DWI and no other violations
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Since that one doesn't exist at all, I'll let you find it! When you do, one of us should apologize, don't you think?

So, let's see if I'm on track here....

.....the Party Hats flashing guy could not just have come up to the rolled down window, askede for docs, and politely said, Sir, we've got a situation, ...please wait a minute, or 2, ....while I clear you."

Something is BAD wrong.......when a boat trailer light failure goes to Tim McViegh.......and you've got boots toeing both sides of a line.....and talkin' about dogs searchin' cars.

good dialogue, perhaps.......but penultimately destructive.

THIS is a FAMILY site....

Powell, if this is your idea of fun, ....you are one sick pup.

GTC

Let me help you..after all it was a good 5 minutes ago. I said Bristoe brouught the mutts into it. You, in typical fashion blurted out No, the government types did. I merely corrected you. That's how you got brought into it! Capece?

No, it's about the [bleep] who wrote about shooting my Aussies--it's a good way for an [bleep] to end up fertilizing the Columbines in the high country.

Congfused here....

...GTC

Still haven't figured it out counselor.....

Casey

I'll catch up with you after court tomorrow sometime Casey. Sleep well buddy! Good night to all!

That's what lawyers do--it has nothing to do with self evident truths....it's about procedure and confusion...and misdirection......

Maybe sick, but I know that the first rule of communication is not to use words like "penultimately".

OH NO YOU DON'T--What the heck you think I've been messing with you for?!!!!!!!!!!!! Only 4 more posts and I'm a Kahuna............

You have just proven beyond a doubt; as soon as ya' really need a lawyer--they bail....sheesh

Casey

I am here for you bro. Congratulations!

Ya'll some funny guys, obvious with lots of experience with witty come backs. I like it, fun to read...a lot of this is irrelevant but most entertaining...thanks for the laughs.

Are you on frikken dial-up? I gotta get some sleep dude!

I'm not yet! I need three more! Jeez, you're messin it all up.

You know what?--I think I'll save myself until tomorrow before I take that big step..........

Sleep tight......

Casey

OK Casey, I'll make it easy on you...explain why I am an "idiot".

G'night, Casey

"I'm just having fun! Some true charactor beginning to show. Always fun to refer back to when they sober up!"

Powell

..............I got it, ....We are "they".....

So, anyone want to comment on the disconect between LEOs, and "they"...?

.......remember, humble and abject behavior will get you further, than normal pride, .....when you are classified as a "They".......so kiss butt....and show all out of proportion respect, to the might, and majesty of the law.

....seriously Foxtrot-Uniform Rectal Orfice, .....this "LEO"

stinks to high heaven, methinks.

GTC

What does that mean?

Means you're a bit of a facist.....

that clear enough...?

GTC

I still don't understand. Could you say what you mean without poetry?

Sick Pup,

......Rest, ....lotsa' fluids, and no hard excercise.....look for parasites in stool.

........Sick, and empowered, to reckon around this talk, here.....( like arrestin' people...?)

......that, is a bit troubling.....No?

GTC

Yep. Hard to understand you smart folks sometimes.

Boy, were YOU right.....

I've had cops who were younger than my hunting boots ask me where I was going. Why the hell should I tell them where I'm going? Once, when I was taking my cousin home, some young highway nazi asked me how we knew each other. I told him it was none of his business and to give me the ticket so I could get on down the road. Later, I thought of a better answer. My cousin and I later decided that I missed a golden opportunity. I should have told the freckle faced hitler youth that we were gay lovers heading to an orgie. Why can't I think of the snappy answers when I need them?

There was a knock on my door.I opened it and standing there was the cop who pulled me over.Next to him was his lawyer and another LEO.He tells me there were 2 black guys who robbed a liquor store.They were driving a grey Toyota pulling a 16 ft blue boat.WITH WORKING LIGHTS.He said when he went back to the barracks he reviewed his dash mounted camera.Then he saw the (2black guys) pull off masks and throw them out the window.They were really white guys.He says he wants to search my truck for any evidence relating the the robbery.I tell him to get a warrant.He calls me a facist and I must be related to Tim McVeigh.Then he sics his dog on me.My dog heard the noise and walked into the room.The cop shot him dead.The cat was laying in the corner the whole time.........he got tazered and started glowing.Then he says,"By the way,the camera did show your lights were working.Sorry for the inconvenience.You are free to go"

That's so funny, it almost ought to kill the thread. Spoilsport.

Well Rem...Why didn't you just say so in the first place?? grin

Gotta say.... stick your nose in my private vehicle, and shoot my dogs, you won't walk away... At least not from my wife anyway. Those are her kids and if you shoot her kids, she could care less and someone will have a mozambique 45 drill right quick.

Tad bit of discretion would be nice....

But I don't envy the job of the LEO one bit. Not that any were drafted.

See you are SE TX, that can be some rugged country and folks, be careful down there.

Lets see, I'm thinking maybe 30 pages can be broken soon.

Jeff

You need to read back a couple of posts prior to Officer Powell posting that reply. It was provoked and warranted at the time!

Thanks Isaac.

Jeff, I was just advising the gentleman that sicking his dogs on cops or their K9's is a quick way to an unhappy ending.

crossfire,

I think ya got ltpowell pegged wrong. He's not like "he who shall not be named". Go back and read some of his posts and I think you might find the facist moniker not quite fitting.

Anyway, page 9 on my puter. Let's try for 10 and see if we can't waste some more time and bandwidth.

Thanks Mac. It is a little out of charactor for me to play with people, but the "computer stuttering" last night engrossed me.

I like your attitude and stated way of doing things. Good Cop!

Lt

Yep, got that.... just a soft spot for dogs... Been a long week here, we lost a 23 YO city employee to an African Bee attack yesterday.... I'm probably a bit grumpy. And I'm always pissed when I'm lied to... but then again I know I'm ok, but not all LEOs do and they haev their jobs....

Jeff

Damn!! 31 pages. Is it a new record for this subject? kwg

Jeff, You ain't any softer about dogs than I am. I have to watch "Where the Red Fern Grows" once a year just to clean out my tear ducts. I have three now...but I wish one of them would run away.

Thanks Jim, but I'm really just a hunter/fisherman/cook. I only do cop stuff for the money.

You too???

Yessir. Cops don't make much, but more than hunting, fishing or cooking!

...and I am a firm believer in not mixing business with pleasure.

Like my new avatar?

When I was arrested I was dressed in black
They put me on a train and they took me back
Had no friend for to go my bail they slapped my dried up carcass in that country jail

Nice pig.....

"K-SWINE" partner?

Laffin....

If you could put up with the Schitt you would get they probably would be pretty good drug...uh....pigs...

Can't see putting up with the jokes when you ran one of them around a car....Would be kinda funny to hear a guy say "Yeah, I had it hid real good til the pig sniffed it out...."

Krispy-Kreme sniffin' K-Swine?

I can see Pat now telling an unruly DWI suspect to settle down or he would have to set the pig loose! I'd be laughing so hard, putting the bracelets on would be a piece of cake!

Jacque...I'll put my donut eating prowess and consumption up against the best copper any day of the week. They know me by my first name at Dunkin Donuts. Gotta tell you though, went to a place in Arkansas called Shipleys. Best darn donuts I ever had in my life. I'm a donut connoisseur, you know!!

Laughing to tears here....

I'm a kolache man, myself !

I won't eat donuts in the county I work in....Know too many people. Gotta go to elsewhere....Do sneak a Apple Fritter every so often the next county over...They have a pretty good shop....

That's the spirit

I was cheated, 7 years on the job and we didn't have a single donut shop! Waffle House, Krystals, IHOP 24hr, but no Kryspie Kreme!

"I was cheated"...LMAO!

Well its true...in more ways that one! I worked an affluent suburb. NO COP GROUPIES! Women there married doctors and slummed with attorneys, cops they could give a $hit about! Geez, I missed out!

To completely thread-jack this. They just opened a "Fractured Prune" donut shop right next to my local home depot. I'd never heard of them but a buddy told me they are an Ocean City MD institution. They actually make your donut in front of you.

http://www.fracturedprune.com/menu_arbutus.php

This ain't good my friends, tain't good at all!

I, for one, am glad that there is a lack of "Cop Groupies" in my AO. I was married a year after I graduated the Academy and had been with my wife for five years prior. I'm fairly certain it saved me a lot of headaches on the job. My FTO told me that the easy ways to end a career early all related to lying, women, money and booze (not in that particular order).

George

Allen..."Fractured Prune" donuts just doesn't work that well for me!!

laffin here.

Nice avatar Pat.

Jacques,

That's a goodin. Someone used to play pranks at city hall at Christmas. They would sneak out every nite and put all the lighted reindeer in riske positions. I tell you, you haven't laughed until you saw Rudolph in a 69 with another reindeer.

Can't dig donuts. Ice cream is entirely another matter.

Not a big donut fan either, but I just looked at the site Pugs posted and I think I could maybe eat one of those.

George

Pat,

The official promo list came out today. I'm tied at no. 1. Only problem is deciding which of us will get the nod first. He's senior but I wrote a better score.

Sch!t Mac...That's just great and congrats!! White-shirt??

I lied. I love fried cakes dipped in milk. Hope my little memory slip doesn't create a whole nuther thread about donut eating fibbing cops.

Thanks. No uniform change, just slap chevrons on the navy blue.

Where's VA to give us a +/- on the pages for that. Congratulations on placing at the top. From what I've seen, they'd be stupid not to promote you.

George

Cops fibbing about eating donuts is a career breaker George!

I wonder where Lewis is? I guess I'll have to cover for him--I'm changing songs though.


I don't want a pickle,
Just want to ride on my motercicle,
and I don't want a tickle,
I'd rather ride on my motercicle,
And I don't want to die,
Just want to ride on my motor-cy-cle.

You know it's been about [40] years now that I've been singing this dumb song.
You know it's amazing, it's amazing that somebody could get away with singing a song this dumb for that long. Hey, but you know what's more amazing than that, what's more amazing than that's somebody could make a living singing a song that dumb for this long. But, hey, that's America.
You know I've told about everything there was to tell about it, when I wrote it, how come, why, what for, but you know the one thing that I always used to neglect to explain was the significance of the pickle.

You cover nicely!

Give us a few verses of "Alice's Restarant"...Grin...

Thanks NH.

Gonna try for 100 pages--can you imagine that 100 pages about a guy gettin' pulled over and warned people might think it's a conspirecy


'Was a time I was ridin' my bike, I was ridin' down a mountain road I was doin' about a hundred and fifty miles an hour. On one side of the mountain road, there was a mountain. And on the other there was nothin', there was just a cliff in the air. But, I wasn't paying attention, you know, I was just driving down the road. All of a sudden, by accident, a string broke off my guitar. It broke, you know, right there, went flying across the road that way, wrapped itself around a yield sign. well, the sign didn't break, it didn't come out the ground, the string stayed wrapped around it--Stayed in the other end of my guitar. I held onto my guitar with one hand. I held onto the bike with the other. I did a sharp turn off the road. Luckily I didn't go into the mountain, I went over the cliff. I was going a hundred and fifty miles an hour sideways, and five hundred feet down at the same time. I was lookin' for the cops. 'Cause, you know, uh, I knew that, I knew that it was against the law.

If that's another song, don't give up your day job...

Isaac

Just saw your post from this morning. Shipley's is a chain. They have one here in town. I drive past it everyday to work. Many a mornings I have to tell my self that they won't help to loose the weight that I need to loose. But they are the best donuts that I have ever eaten.

I actually had a student tell a Cop during a stop "Shouldn't you be off eating donuts somewhere"... ended up with more than $400 in assorted violations...

Then there was the one who told the City Park Police who broke up the fight he was in "can we wait until the REAL police get here?" He subsequently "tripped and fell"...

Then there was the shaved-head gang member kid who had just finished assaulting some guy in the guy's driveway with a baseball bat for shooting at his house when the Cops roll up, cuff him, and he began to "trip and fall" too. To hear him tell it he kept trying to throw himself on the side of the cruiser where the camera was but they kept dragging him back (actually, a very funny story the way the kid told it)...

Back to the donut kid, one day in class he was making something, quietly but furiously crumpling up sheets of paper. Suddenly, in the middle of class he stands up holding a giant paper sperm by the tail, like it was a divining rod...

Sure enough, wriggling wildly, it drags him to some cute but prim and proper young lady sitting in the next row...

Birdwatcher

I thought most people had me on "ignore" by now



Early next mornin' bout a half past nine I spied the sheriff coming down the line
Talked and he coughed as he cleared his throat
He said come on you dirty hack into that district court
Into the courtroom my trial began where I was handled by twelve honest men
Just before the jury started out I saw the little judge commence to look about

Just wish we could see mobilised all this "Good Ole' LEOs" enthusiasm here, on the line......with all the attendant enthusiasm and formidability implied. Don't much care about "Justice"....."Fairness".........just go handle this mess, ....knock heads, ...etc.

.....do reckon that walkin' through the Valleys here, and findin' group slaughters, ...and individual dies / kills might work off that Grease / Salt look, and verbiage. ....and maybe even kill your craving for more.

GTC

Good deal Mac! Keep us posted. That extra $50 a month will come in handy huh?

Nice going, Mac.

Paul

Good Mac, but have you kissed the right a$$, and done so in a covert fashion so that even the kissee doesn't really know its a$$ kissing?

A$$'s kissed have less value than toes not stepped upon.

Thats just a$$ kissin' in reverse.

Mac,

When will they give the word? If you get the promo you gotta let the fire know!

LOL, again!!!

ltp,

BTW, the avatar is priceless! Also, when I was in the National Guard I had a First Sgt. named Pigg. He was also a Sgt with the Birmingham PD. A large well built fellow...he didn't take a whole lot of ribbin' for his job and name combo.

More Arlo !!!

You got it.

. . . I knew that that was it. I knew that I didn't have long to live in this world. And in my last remaining seconds in the world, I knew that it was my obligation to write one last farewell song to the world. Took out a piece of paper, pulled out a pen, and it didn't write, I had to put another ink cartridge in it. I sat back and I thought a while, and then it come to me. It come like a flash--like a vision, burnt across the clouds. I just wrote it down. I learnt it right away.

I don't want a pickle,
just want to ride on my motercicle,
and I don't want a tickle,
I'd rather ride on my motercicle,
and I don't want to die,
I just want to ride on my mo-tor-cy-cle.

Hey, I knew, you know, hey, I knew it wasn't the best song I ever wrote, but I didn't have time to change it.

Found out today that I'm 2. Civil service commission ruled seniority rules, which I'm okay with.

280, you should have seen the posturing and puckering the weeks/days before the interviews. It was awful. I will gladly push a scout before I stoop so low.

Promos could happen anytime. There are a handful of hangers on that refuse to walk out the door.

Mac, It'll happen. How many years you got left?

Ok.........I started this thread.Can we end it here?Its way off course.

It's grown up and got a life of its own...lived beyond all previous predictions...

But, you know the most amazing thing was, I didn't die.
I landed on top of a police car and it died.
I come into town at a screaming 175 mile an hour singing my new motorcycle song.
I stopped out front of the deli,
and out front the deli was a man eating the most tremendous pickle,
a pickle the size of four pregnant watermelons.
Just a huge monster pickle.

He walked up to me and pushed the pickle in my face and started asking me questions.
About the same time I noticed the pickle in my face,
I noticed a cord hangin' from the long end of the pickle,
going up his sleeve, though his shirt, down his pants, and out by his shoe, into a brief case he had near his feet.

I knew it wasn't an ordinary pickle.

Mac,

Once the list is established is it the chief's choice who to promote or does civil service get involved? Can the chief pick anyone from the list or does it have to go in order?

Rooting for you here.

Paul

Mac...If a oppurtunity arose in let's say the next couple monthe, would you have to go through the whole process again?