Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by sundles
Some folks think that because govt has not yet done a thing (like closed or seriously restricted certain tracts of land) that it will never happen. I've lived long enough to know, that I don't want my trustworthy/efficient/wise govt having any more power, as they already have far too much and have not used it well. I'm not helping any organizations give more land to the govt. Your mileage may vary and you are welcome to it. I mean, seriously, we are talking about the very same govt that brought you wolves, failed social security, failed dollar, failed borders, failed schools, health care and on and on and on--open your eyes man.


Sundles, it is good to see you posting here again. I don't expect that we'll ever agree on the whole public land issue, but that's why this country is great.

To clarify, I didn't say "it could never happen," I was just responding to your contention that it's unwise to put land in the hands of the federal government. Because if we didn't put land in the hands of the federal government, I'd have nowhere to hunt, and I'd guess that applies to a lot of us.

I choose to worry about other things the federal government is doing.

And yes, I know the government has failed at a lot of things, but man, you need to open your eyes. The government has done a few things right, and hunting on public land in the USA is one of the very best examples; very few places in the world have similar opportunities for hunters. You choose to base your opinion on health care and social security, I choose to look at interstate highways and our armed forces. You're throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Since you didn't answer my other question, I'm assuming you can't come up with any examples of the thing you're worried about:

Originally Posted by smokepole
So here's a question, see if you can answer it--how much land that RMEF has acquired and turned over to the government is now unavailable for public hunting?


So I'll ask another question: Where do you spend most of your hunting time, public (federally-managed) or private land?

If the answer is public land, how do you reconcile that with your opinions stated here?


Hey Smoke,

I'm pretty sure it was the old Kifaru forum where I posted with you many years ago, as I just joined this forum a few months back and I doubt I'll post here much at all as soon as pring comes. I simply run out of time when I can get outdoors more.

Folks ask questions on here (like you did about RMEF aquired land ever becoming closed to the public) and then think that because you didnt spend a whole day doing reasearch in order to give an exhaustive answer, that you could not answer----however, with me it is a matter of time--not having enough and not caring enough to spend hours of reasearch to answer a question it took 30 seconds to type.........

To answer your last question however, I am all over public land, spring, summer and fall and I don't really understand your question about reconciling that with my dislike of public lands being federally managed. The land is suppossedly yours and mine and the land is there, irregardless of the govt and the land will be there for millions of years after this govt and you and I are long gone. So, if I am going to go enjoy the wonders of the Rockies, I have to get up into them regardless of the entitiy currently laying claim to them. I don't know if that makes sense to you or not, but it does to me. It's sort of like when I go visit my daughter that lives in California--I don't like most of CA and I don't like breathing the air in any big city, but if I am going to see my daughter, I'm going to have to breathe the air....

My best to you.