Yep, the Kansas Doppel-Lunger is a good one. And you save all that precious shoulder meat! grin

I'm slow on the uptake at times but I've gone to neck or shoulder shots. Or angled bone smashers like Bob mentioned. So far, they haven't gone anywhere except straight down. Shoulder meat is far over-rated, someone around here said that.

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