I shot my first buck with a Remington 760 in 1990. I placed a 180 grain Core -Lokt right behind the shoulder (standard PA load) and it ran 150 yards and I still had to put a finisher in it. I tend to learn quick so I switched to 150 Core Lokts after that and started watching deer drop at the shot. PA guys had it all wrong when it comes to deer bullets for the .30-06.