Id suggest you look to shotgun world.com. There is a lot of misinformation in this thread.

Contrary to what you are getting in this post, the current 870s are amongst the best Remington has ever made. They re-tooled a couple years ago and the machining is cleaner and the fit and finish is excellent...a big improvement especially in the express models which are now a darker satin finish that is much less prone to corrosion.


Sorry, but after three disappointments, I'm not going to keep buying them every so often to see if they've improved them. Once a company lets things go to Hell, it's a long, slow slog back to regain the trust of customers. Most, having been sold crap, will never return. In the case of what's really for many people a lifetime purchase like a shotgun, once they get a satisfactory replacement, the sales opportunity is gone forever anyway, and that often also applies to other products the company may produce.

They also re-tooled for the Marlin lever guns, but despite pretty good press on the new ones, it appears substantial issues remain, based on anecdotal sources here, anyway. Why should someone spend their money on stuff made by a company, any company, that deliberately cheapened their product to increase profits?


What fresh Hell is this?