Originally Posted by nighthawk
Go back to the top. The premise is that you have perfect knowledge of god, know what he wants with absolute certainty and he has absolute power over you. Knowing this with certainty, would you act in a way which would make him demonstrate that power to your discomfort? That would be irrational. Without being crazy would you choose to put your hand in a fire?

Again, this argument does not require any particular god.


Oh ok I get what you are saying....yeah in that case I'd agree with you, it would be totally irrational. My position was simply that even proving a God would not necessarily negate free will, but if one had perfect knowledge then that would certainly change things.