Any time there is discussion about the 410 there are those who feel it belongs in the hands of an experienced shooter and those who consider it a kids gun. Count me in the former. I know several shooters here started out with 410s and became competent shooters. For everyone of them I wonder how many kids started with a 410, got discouraged and quit hunting. I'll bet the number is high but we don't hear their stories. I consider myself fortunate I started with a 20 gauge rather than a 410. A 410 is great fun within it's limitations but saddling a kid with an ill fitting single shot, better suited for ground swatting grouse and rabbits, isn't doing them any favors when trying to teach them to shoot aerial targets.