Originally Posted by Greenhorn
Originally Posted by Judman
Whatda think? Fish & game departments, state tourism departments etc for running shows, YouTube videos?


They do. And since he's come up here, Randy Newberg is more transparent than most - give him that. It's easy to hate on the individuals who are profiting or trying to, on things we all love doing. Like the outfitting industry, I think all should be required to pay (state agencies) for that profiting - not the other way around, regardless of how small that profit might be. If you've paid to hunt, paid an outfitter, bought information, subscriptions, services, and many of the products today's hunting companies promote, even so much as listened to a podcast, "liked" or "clicked" on some the posts or YouTube videos you hate so much - you're also contributing the the problem. The information age is killing hunting as we know it. That's a fact.

Originally Posted by Judman
So you’re lumping general season, statewide licenses to say, a 380 bull permit or a 441 buck tag? Ok got it. 👍 I did “draw” a special buck permit in a region you’re familiar with. that was after I DREW my statewide general tag. Reg 4. 👍

Yes I will buy a ticket if only to appease you and Buzzy Eastman. 👍


I'm not lumping anything. Montana general is not "statewide", neither is the general elk. Montana is BIG, there's ridiculously good hunting within general deer and elk areas. It's not abound and that's an undeniable fact. Even the best premier limited draw permits don't come with a guaranteed result - even in the "good old days" - anywhere. I'm a great permit drawing SOB and have had my ass handed to me a pile of times on them. But just like true, over the counter, general, free for all public land, no help required.. It's usually time and luck, and time.. my opinion. Buzz is an accomplished hunter, has done lots for hunters, and has had more great success than 99% of those I know hunting on a regular guy budget and general areas. In 2005, he passed on a "general" public land wyoming 192" gross buck that he spotted and opted to let me go kill it, so he could look for better.








Yeah, that buck you killed was a great one...quite a bit better than I thought actually. A few weeks later, my wife and I glassed up this buck and since I owed DG for helping me with a general 184" mule deer the year before...when I relocated this buck, I gave him first option to shoot.

He made the right choice...if he wouldn't have, that buck would be mine...because I wasn't having to decide if he wouldn't have taken it. This buck had a 175"ish frame and 20" of extras...grossed right in that 193 range IIRC. At the time, this tag was 100% odds for NR's, in fact, it could be picked up as a third choice and sometimes OTC as a leftover.

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Saw this buck that same year and found him again in 2006 in the exact same place. I felt he wouldn't get any better so after watching him for about 20 minutes through the spotting scope...picked up the rifle. If not for the extra split, he probably would have died of old age...

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I found a lot of good bucks in 2002-2007 on the general OTC tags in Wyoming.




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