Originally Posted by erikj
Originally Posted by DocRocket
Originally Posted by hatari
Originally Posted by steve4102

Senator Ron Johnson:
I just received this morning data out of Israel. That shows the population is about 84% vaccinated. But the new cases of COVID in Israel are about 84% with vaccinated individuals. It certainly is lookinng like the Pfizer vaccine is not working with the Delta variant.



Well, that's not good news. If true, that would indicate that the World will endure another round of pandemic.


Yeah, I'd take that "report" (more like an unsubstantiated rumor) with a couple teaspoons of salt.

In the past couple weeks in my ER we have seen this current surge of COVID cases, just like everywhere else. We are keeping track of how many cases are in vaccinated people, and how many in non-vaccinated folks. To date more than 90% of these sickies are not vaccinated. Oh, and 100% of the hospital admissions have been non-vaccinated persons.

These numbers are consistent with ACTUAL reports I'm getting from other docs in Canada and the USA.

Of course, the government-controlled fearmoner mill--er, I mean the Mainstream Media--are pushing for full-blown panic in the general population, so they are quick to report the most inflammatory "news".

Pretty much like this forum, and the OP on this thread. If you actually read what the numbers out of Israel are, they do not support the lies of the anti-vax folks.

I know more people, in my circle, that were hospitalized from the vaccine than Covid.



My circle is pretty big (not to be taken as mine is bigger than yours) due to my work and I know that by a long shot most have been vaccinated. Very few have not, but not a single vaccinated person that I know of in my circle has been hospitalized, paralyzed, or even traumatized. Some have had sore arms and even fewer had flu-like symptoms for a day or so.

I would take my non medical analysis and DocRocket's analysis as the more likely scenario of what is transpiring across the country. It is my opinion, but my BS meter goes off when I see posts that say all these vaccinated people are dying or being hospitalized. There is no way for you to know how many people I talk to daily and how far it ranges, but there has not been a single instance that confirms what you are saying. I am not saying you are lying, but I would have an easier time believing that there may be multiples in your circle that have had that reaction if I could confirm it with even a single instance in my experience.

I am also being specific to your post. I do not know of a single person that has been hospitalized due to taking any of the 3 vaccines. I do believe that there have been people hospitalized that have been vaccinated, but for other ailments. Not simply due to the fact they were vaccinated and had such a horrible reaction that required hospitalization. That is the law of numbers. I also believe that there have been people that have died of Covid that are vaccinated. Another law of numbers.

Don't forget that there were also a few severe adverse reactions, death being one, from the Smallpox vaccine. There were also other severe adverse reactions from that vaccine which was somewhere in the 90s for efficacy. Which means it wasn't 100% effective, but it was eventually successful amongst other reasons for eradicating if from a natural occurrence. Took a long damn time, but we finally got there.