Growing up in PENN I knew a small handful of guys that shot groundhogs and crows during the summer at 400-600 yards. They all handloaded and had custom built rifles with expensive scopes. During deer season most of them went back to typical woods hunting and didnt really care if they got a deer or not. They also enjoyed hanging out in the bars during deer season and listening to the long range deer kills that they knew were no more than 80 yards if that, but didnt call anyone out for "stretching" the truth. These guys are all gone now.......