First off, I want to thank you all for your personal info and assistance. I had failed to mention the root of my question. I am in PA and hunt mostly with a bow. When I go rifle, I use my .303 enfield open sights. I know i need/want something more and vercitile. Ammo in a little hard to get for the 303 so i don't want to have this problem agien. NOW, I am looking at 2 rifles, both used, 1) rem 700 in .280 no scope, $499, 2) rem 700 7mm mag $599, with leapold vx III 3.5-10. I know the scope makes a great deal, but the .280 has a nice thumb hole stock and stainless 26" heavy barrel. My local gun shop has about 3 choices of factory ammo, and approx. 13 for 7mm mag. I haven't shot either, but that .280 fit my frame very well. Thank you all agien , adam.