Originally Posted by Mule Deer
Riflehunter,

Have mentioned this in several places over the years, but the 9.3x62 loaded to "modern" pressures (60,000 psi) will push a high-BC 250-grain bullet to 2650-2700 fps, depending on barrel length. Dunno what your definition is of "longer shots, but this load has the same basic trajectory as the .30-06 with 180s at the "traditional" 2700 fps, which works very well out to at least 450 yards, even without a "dialing" scope. Did it for years even before laser rangefinders, by using the scope reticle as a rangefinder.

If you believe in lighter bullets at higher velocity, the 9.3 210-grain Cutting Edge Raptor can easily get 2850-2900 fps.
Mule Deer, 450 yards is a long shot for all but a small percentage of hunters to do with a medium bore, especially with a 180 grain - .30-06 - type - trajectory. I'm not saying that a hunter with a lot of experience who also shoots a lot can't do it, they can. But for the average hunter...it is difficult. With my .338 I'm loading at around 2975 fps with the 225's. That's a bit flatter than 180's in a .30-06 at 2700. Note: Jack O'Connor's hand-load was a 180 at 2700 fps from his 22" .30-06 and he said that the .270 Win shoots flatter and is easier to hit game with. At around 2975 fps with 225's, the .338 has the same trajectory as the .270 Win at 3000 fps with 140's, which is what he said the .270 achieved with 140's.