Looking back over sixty years of deer hunting, I can recall only four (80 yo memory, so let's say five or six) deer that I collected that could not have been taken with a .30-30.

Jack

"Do not blame Caesar, blame the people...who have...rejoiced in their loss of freedom....Blame the people who hail him when he speaks of the 'new, wonderful, good, society'...to mean ,..living fatly at the expense of the industrious." Cicero