Originally Posted by Dreamin
Originally Posted by scenarshooter

Don't know, or care what "DRT" is, but I've never wounded and lost any black bear I've ever shot at....with any rifle.

Maybe you should explain it all to us....

Sorry I was an complete a$$ the way I responded Pat. I know you are more proficient, skilled and experienced then 99% of the posters here, including myself.

Be that as it may, on the WA and OR coast and the west slopes of the cascades, it’s obviously different then the pictures you posted. Perfect shot or not, you typically never watch the animal die (DRT - dead right there). I love the 22 center fires and hate recoil but have hedged my “bets” by going larger caliber, especially elk and bear.

Sincere question Pat, any validity to that “argument”? Yes I know, age old debate!


Good for you on the apology.

Centerfire 22s can work great but moving up to the .243/6MM and the 105gr bullets makes a better general deer cartridge.

I have killed and seen killed a lot of deer and antelope with the .223/5.56 and it works fine inside 300yds.

Killed and seen killed lots of deer and antelope with the 22/243 and 80gr VLDs and it works fine to 800yds but kills barrels to fast.

I don't think Pat is using 55gr bullets for deer hunting these days.


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