This year I used my .243ai and killed two does....dropped them right there My daughter also uses a .243 as does my son. My wife uses a 6x45 My son and wife uses the same bullet 80 grain ttsx My daughter uses a 70 nbt I use the 105 Amax.....gonna be changing though as I’m running out of them. Not one deer got away from us, they usually die within sight.