Well said memtb, but a lot of fire members are again painting with a broad brush. People and their beliefs are not defined by ink lines on paper maps. The problem is more clearly defined by social values, namely, urban vs rural. Because the great shift in values is not confined to California, it's happening in greater or lesser degrees in every state. Look at the recent craziness of the governess of Wisconsin(edit Michigan, I'm a dumbshit), she and Newsom are joined at the hip it seems. At least in California, we can blame some of it on the massive latino "free stuff" voting block, putting these socialists in power.

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Well this is a fine pickle we're in, should'a listened to Joe McCarthy and George Orwell I guess.