I think there's always been a rowdy bunch in the woods. Doesn't matter if it's elk or deer. Some dudes just get so hooked that laws don't matter. Around here it's overcrowding that's the issue. Seems like at least half the hunters in CO now are from out of state. Camps with 20 rigs in them is common. Gun seasons are done in two days now. It's an all out egg hunt with swarms of hunters opening weekend. It's almost a full-on whitetail style drive hunt with 1000's of hunters. If you don't see an elk by the end of the second day, best just to go home. They have moved onto private land by then.