Had a young guy from Pennsylvania move into the area a few years ago. Nice young guy, shot his first elk, a raghorn of some sort, & was very proud of it. Showed me photos & I asked him what he shot it with. He proceeded tell me that he used some Remington Ultra mag (I forget which one), because you can't kill elk with anything less than a 180 grain bullet & some arbitrary velocity. Seriously. He said that. Just smiled & nodded, as I said earlier, he is a nice young guy. Where he came up with that bit of nonsense I couldn't say.