This year my son took his front stuffer and drove his Jeep up the trail behind his house, where he was seeing a lot of Elk sign, there was about 8" of snow on the ground, he walked into a herd of Elk just above the trail,he knelled down behind a tree and watched them walk by at about 60 yrds, he picked out a big dry cow, and put the cross hairs on her shoulder, and he got hit with Buck Fever and started shaking like a dog chitten a peach seed, couldn't see the sites, the Cow just stood there looking at him, he finally got it together and shot the Cow, he said when the smoke cleared the Cow was sliding down the hill, so he ran to her and kept kicking her to keep her moving she stopped in the trail about 10 yards behind the Jeep, he said it was one of the easyist and most fun Elk he ever killed, he had me laughing hard while he told me his story. he gets excited and loves to hunt. Rio7