Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Originally Posted by CCCC
Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Originally Posted by TF49
Only a fool believes that “everything comes from nothing.”
That's a rather harsh self-assessment of yourself and fellow creationists. “everything comes from nothing.” is the basis of the storyline from your favourite fable. Hopefully seeing the foolishness, and acknowledging the issue, is the first step to seeking the truth.
It looks as though you completely missed the point. With regard to substance, to "create" is to make something from nothing. But, TF49 did not speak of "making" a substance - not at all.

Substance - the created. Source - the Creator.

He said "comes from" - a statement about source, not substance. The point being that God is the source.

The source created everything from nothing? Tomato vs tomato. Still magic.
Matter/energy may have always existed, once again displacing the god post-it note.

If you do not understand the difference between the one who creates as compared to that which is created, it could look like tomato vs. tomato. This is not the case, but one must be able to differentiate in order to grasp the concept. The very basic definition of "create" is to make something from nothing.


Originally Posted by DBT
You appear to be suggesting the Hindu principle of Brahman as the 'ground of all existence and being.'
Seem as it may you, I am not suggesting that.


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