Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Originally Posted by efw
Originally Posted by DBT
We are told - "Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men......" Romans 5:12....which is problematic when it comes to a question of ethics.


Whose ethics?

From whence come ethics if there is no objective standard of right and wrong?

The universe doesn’t have any sense of right and wrong. In the universe, what is, is, and nothing more.

Godless evolution attempts to explain the “how” of the universe but its own parameters deny its ability to explain the “why”.
Why must there be a "WHY"?

Can there just be an "IS"?

Because one cannot create a coherent system of laws without a why. Laws are created to reflect and encourage a commonly agreed upon set of values based upon a consensus around our purpose as humans.

What “is” doesn’t give us a purpose, and therefore no direction in the establishment of just laws.

Note that this isn’t necessarily an argument for Christianity, although it is those systems of Justice that came from Christian societies that have provided for what we all generally agree is the greatest society in world history.

It is an argument for agreement on a system for understanding the transcendent, and scientistic materialists (atheists) deny the very existence of the transcendent.