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yup, cheap guns that shoot good, it's a segment

a lot of us see that barrel and action, true to size for cartridge length class, and we see much more potential, we keep asking for more, we keep trying to build it into it's potential...so for those of us that aren't looking for the cheap guns that shoot well....we will always be left wanting when it comes to these howa's, legacy and howa has been told repeatedly that they have a great piece of metal and they are surrounding it with complete garbage and that there's a market for a real rifle on that piece of steel....crickets, they have only put more lipstick on the pig and tried to pass it off as giving us what we want....it's not

potential is all you can get from them and for those of us who wish they could rise to that potential will be left wanting in the end

if they actually try again hopefully they bring in a couple key people who've handled all the proper manufactured rifles we talk about and use/prefer, tikka, Kimber, x-bolts, Hawkeye's, fieldcrafts, 700's even...spend sometime with the rifles that qualify as real rifles and then make your goals list and execute, the hard part is done, they have the action, even the barrel....just stop with carbon steel and give stainless, get your threads right and everything else, call it the signature line, raise the price, but build a real stock, real magazines, bottom metals, trigger/safety etc. Quit playing bottom of the barrel, sitting on a gem with potential and zero clue. Does it need to say vanguard on it? Well then facking do it! But don't forget to fix that 2-stage trigger and safety knob...don't miss any of the things I listed or you won't have done it right the first time.

ultimately the better option is one of the other manufacturers who knows how to build rifles recognize the x39 case and give us scaled actions in the materials we want and rifles built around them in the materials we want, it's a worthy case that is going nowhere but up, get on it boys...we want quality lightweight scaled stainless hunting rifles built around the x39 case...not just a bunch of budget rigs which is all we get now or larger actions blocked down to the stubby case...build true AR length actions scaled accordingly, no fat...we don't want the fat, we don't want the cheap materials, we don't want the bottom of barrel budget

not a chance legacy/howa understands any of that lol so why even bother trying to explain to them any of it, they can stick with 'their data' and stepping on their own d1cks as they have from day 1